spaceman Posted November 8, 2016 Author Share Posted November 8, 2016 Hello everybody, now to the supports on the inlet pipes. As they look, I know now, so I could start after the determination of the dimensions of the individual parts with the implementation. However beforehand the dimensions must be checked as always. In the meantime, the pipes firmly adhere to the pipe lines that one has relatively stable conditions for testing their fitting. At first I have cut two small sickles out of the remains of the cut-out 8 mm discs, which now have to be glued to the two rings above the locking plates on the outer wall of the shaft, the question is only how to do this without slipping? Holding the tiny sickle to the ring with the tweezers is relatively difficult, especially since the line-shaped gluing site would be probably rather unstable. On the other hand, a middle strip (1 mm x 1.8 mm) would be very helpful, because it would serve as a stop at the same time. Here the part is already glued, so that now the upper sickle could follow. And now only the small base plate is needed for attachment to the shaft wall, which can be seen here, Source: NASA Now the first support is finished, and also the test at the shaft wall looks quite good. And tomorrow follows the support on the other inlet pipe. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
spaceman Posted November 12, 2016 Author Share Posted November 12, 2016 Hello everybody, meanwhile also the second inlet pipe has got its support, and both pipes fit well at the walls in the chamber corners. Next followed the modeling of the transitions from the tubes to the ring lines, as usual again with Apoxie Sculpt. After thorough mixing of the two components, the mass was rolled into two thin rolls and modeled around the transitions. And as you can see at the rest of the pellet, I had misjudged it again, since the half would have been enough. Now I have to wait until the mass has hardened, in order to be able to shape the final contours of the transition, but there is something to be sanded off again. And now to these two small details, which I at first did not pay much attention. But now I've figured out wherefore these parts are mounted there. Source: NASA These are brackets specifically for the carrying ropes of the two Water bags, which are attached behind the inlet pipe. Source: flickr.com The retaining strip is only a small strip (0.8 mm x 0.8 mm x 2 mm) and the deflection pulley even more tiny, but I simply want to try, whether it can still be scratched. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
K2Pete Posted November 16, 2016 Share Posted November 16, 2016 Holey kow ... this is getting more and more sensational! The care in blending in the surfaces with Apoxie and then to even THINK of adding the little clip for the water bags ... I am in awe! I don't know how you do it ... working at such a small scale and yet adding all this lovely detail! With every post Manfred, you are out-doing yourself. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
spaceman Posted November 17, 2016 Author Share Posted November 17, 2016 Thanks Pete for watching and for your nice compliments. Yeah, my poor old eyes often have to do heaviest work when I try to scratch these tiny and tricky details. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
spaceman Posted November 18, 2016 Author Share Posted November 18, 2016 Hello everybody, next followed the final processing of the previously modeled transitions by removing superfluous material, whereby I tried to gently approach the concave shape, which can be seen at the left transition, and finally at both inlet pipes. And so back to the fixing rail and guide roller at the upper end of the inlet pipes, which I have actually tried. Source: NASA For this purpose, I used an Evergreen profile 0.75 mm x 0.75 mm for the fixing rail. For the bollard and the locking screw two Ø 0.3 mm holes were drilled and Ø 0.3 mm rods were sticked in. And so my first prototype (2 mm) of the fixing rail looks like, which was tested and should fit already well. For the guide roller, I first tried to resaw a central recess into a 0.75 mm x 0.75 mm profile, which is not so easy with this "width". It would be even more difficult to drill the necessary holes for the roll (Ø 0.3 mm) in these minimal overhangs. That is why I re-drilled a little bit next to it and sawed the central recess a bit further, after which the bar for the roll let insert itself, albeit reluctantly. Subsequently, the rod was glued with MEK and separated off, and the supernatants were shortened and beveled. When this tiny stub was cut off, however, the mishap then happened, because after that, it was unfortunately no longer findable. So new game, new luck, but this time according to a modified method, in which I wanted to stick two 0.75 mm wide strips (0.15 mm), which I previously had drilled, on both sides of a rectangular strip 0.5 mm x 0.75 mm (bottom). The longer strip I have bevelled with the razor blade on both sides immediately in front of the bore to simulate the triangular shape of the side walls. Then, the sides were threaded onto the bar, the rectangle strip was interposed and everything was fixed together between four steel scales, after which the composite was carefully sticked with MEK. To do this, it is sufficient to wet the parts only with the MEK brush as the MEK penetrates into the cracks and immediately performs its function. Then only the triangular shape with the razor blade was cut off at the front projection, and also the rod on both sides and the rear part. And so the two parts now look, which seems to be quite useful, or what do you mean? Well, these are only two tiny details, but they also had it in themselves again. The guide roller with < 1 mm lies in an area, which I really no longer wanted to scratch, but since there are only two parts, these exceptions are to confirm the rule. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
spaceman Posted November 21, 2016 Author Share Posted November 21, 2016 Hello together, in the meantime, I have also finished the second guide roller, which is why I am delighted, because these tiny parts can really hardly be handled sensibly, and one always runs the risk that they suddenly fly away - Goodbye forever! So far, so good, but with the previous fixing rail I was still not quite satisfied, since this is still somewhat more structured than my first prototype, which is why I still want to offer an update. When looking closely, it can be seen that the fixing rail consists of a base body on which a clamping strip with a small bollard for the tensioning cable of the Water bag sits, whose seat can be fixed by a locking screw at different height. Most clearly one can see the structure on this picture, which is of MLP-3. Source: NASA On MLP-2, however, the clamping strips had been adjusted somewhat higher. Source: NASA These clamping strips are similar to those that are attached on the SRB Blast shields for holding the remaining Water bags. And since we are just in details, these clamping strips were initially all screwed as one can see on this picture. Source: capcomespace.net Later on, they were partially welded on the blast shields and the locking screws were omitted, or not, as shown in this picture of the MLP-2. Source: NASA BTW, only for a basic orientation of the size, which is always interesting, these clamping strips are actually about 25 cm long. On my inlet pipe, however, this is only 1.6 mm (1:160), and consequently the clamping strip is only 0.75 mm x 1.6 mm and made of 0.15 mm Styrene, which can be distinguished a bit from the basic body. Then the small hole (Ø 0.3 mm) for the bollard foot was drilled and a 0.3 mm round profile like a thread was threaded through a needle eye. And in order to look more like a bollard, then I have glued at the end a thin disc from a 0.4 mm round profile. But to get this centrally was then again a true patience game and has worked only after several attempts. After adjustment of the supernatant, the bollard was glued with MEK, and then the rest on the underside was cut off. And finally, a thin disc (Ø 0.4 mm) was glued on as locking screw, what can be seen somewhat better from the side. Here one can see the comparison with the first prototype, and in the meantime, the second fixing rail has also been completed so that the assembly can now follow. However, previously comes the test fitting and alignment of the two parts on the inlet pipe, but whose macro-images are relatively indistinct due to the too low contrast differences of white/white objects. At even smaller distance the autofocus of my Digicam however is unfortunately at the end. These details will become clearer only in the painted state, and as long as I have unfortunately to console you. Maybe I can present even better shots. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
spaceman Posted November 22, 2016 Author Share Posted November 22, 2016 Hello everybody, after the holding rail and the guide roller are now also glued and can no longer fly away, today still a few better pics have succeeded to me, on which the details come out more clearly. And here finally the first finished inlet pipe in the SRB chamber corner. Well, the light conditions in such images are often crucial. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
spaceman Posted November 23, 2016 Author Share Posted November 23, 2016 Hello Guys, meanwhile, the other inlet pipe has also got its holding rail and the guide roller. And for stimulation of the last rather dreary test fitting sceneries, I have again arranged the Rainbirds, which the picture are rounding off a bit again. But this by no means should not distract from the supply pipes and their details, although now you only see that there is something on the top, but without being able to recognize it with the naked eye. And then I have glued the first of the four back 18'' outlets onto the ring line, which had to be back into the Balsa corset so that nothing could slip away until the glue was drying. Now I'm curious whether the ring line with the outlet can now be carefully removed out of the shaft, which I hope, or whether this is prevented by the lower support plate under the slope of the SRB support. Because then I would have a problem and would have to come up with a cool idea. So long and thanks for watching. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
spaceman Posted November 25, 2016 Author Share Posted November 25, 2016 (edited) Hello together, somehow I was apprehensive a bit already, but now it has unfortunately become certainty. Not only the lower support plates under the slantings of the rear SRB-Supports are the hook, but the rear 18'' outlets per se, what I could have thought however with a more thorough consideration actually before. The ring line with the outlet can still be removed by moving it somewhat to the right and then pulling it upwards, but this does not work any more if the other outlet would be glued in the same way onto the inserted ring line. It basically fails at the inward ends of these rear outlets with the outlet openings together with support plates, which would make the removal of the pipe skeleton impossible. But now I must digest this bitter realization first and sleep a night. The case is complicated, but not hopeless, and I already have some ideas, though this would not work again without minor surgery, but thereto later more. Edited November 25, 2016 by spaceman Quote Link to post Share on other sites
spaceman Posted November 26, 2016 Author Share Posted November 26, 2016 (edited) Hello everybody, the solution of the problem is also not so easy, because I would like to model the whole pipe skeleton with all outlets also at the transitions with Apoxie Sculpt and would like to install it completely after painting. And that is why I will change my assembly sequence so far and first glue the four front 18" outlets between the SRB-Supports. Then I would carefully remove the two rear SRB-Supports as at the time when rebuilding the SRB chambers. Afterwards I would glue the rear outlets with the support plates on the ring line and only finally at the end the two SRB-Supports glue again to the old place and adjust with the existing height stop. As far as my consideration, which is hitherto only gray theory, but should work in my opinion. Now I can show a few photos from today's assembly of the next two front 18'' outlets with the rejuvenations on 12'' which sit between the SRB Supports. As already indicated, I now have either to remove the rear outlet with the support plate for the assembly of the two opposing outlets, or immediately the SRB support. Wait and see. Edited November 26, 2016 by spaceman Quote Link to post Share on other sites
spaceman Posted November 28, 2016 Author Share Posted November 28, 2016 Hello together, I have chosen the last version and the SRB-Supports carefully removed and then attached with double-sided tape as a placeholder for the assembly of the outlets again. The 9'' outlet I have not yet glued, because it would otherwise disturb during the modeling of the underlying transition from the ring line to the 12'' outlet. Up to now it fits all together quite well. And next, it can now go on behind the LOX-TSM with the transition from the ring line to the 16'' extension with the 12'' nozzle tube. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
spaceman Posted November 29, 2016 Author Share Posted November 29, 2016 Hello everybody, today there is only a short update from the growing pipe skeleton around the left SRB shaft. As already announced, the ring line behind the LOX-TSM was extended by the 16'' tapering with the subsequent transition to the 12'' nozzle tube. Again, the precise and, above all, stable position of the ring line is important, for which purpose the line was again weighed down with a weight. After the alignment of the nozzle pipe under the TSM the extended pipe was glued to the end of the ring line with MEK. And even after removal of the weight, everything was still stable. Now only the already prepared two small 6'' outlets still have to be glued on the ring line, which lead into the SRB chamber, then the first ring line would be complete. That's it for today. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
spaceman Posted December 2, 2016 Author Share Posted December 2, 2016 (edited) Hello everybody, this was unfortunately too briefly thought. The two small 6'' outlets can not yet be glued as long as I still need the space behind the TSMs for the Balsa spacers in the corners to fix the position of the ring lines, in order to also to be able to mount the outlets on the other ring line in a stable position. At first, the rear 18'' outlet was glued with the two support plates. However, at that I was not aware that this time I had begun on the inside, and with that on the wrong side, but what was to become apparent only later. So it went on with the two outlets between the SRB-Supports. The two 9'' transitions are again only placed on and the small supports are only supported underneath. And as one can see, even after taking away the spacers and weights, everything still fits together well and looks quite well. And the total view with the flock of birds also looks like cool. But when I wanted to extract the pipe skeleton, the shocking realization came that I had begun on the wrong side. Now the skeleton was blocked inwards by the three outlets and outwards through theinlet pipe in the shaft corner. But with the utmost caution and the necessary sensitivity, I then managed to move the rear outlet with the support plate around the SRB support. Now I can again carefully remove the two SRB-Supports, in order to be able to mount the three external outlets on the inserted skeleton. Edited December 2, 2016 by spaceman Quote Link to post Share on other sites
spaceman Posted December 3, 2016 Author Share Posted December 3, 2016 (edited) Hello everybody, before I mount the remaining three outer outlets on the ring line behind the LH2-TSM, I've ever thought about the further procedure. There is also the assembly of the many Pipe Supports to consider, on which the two ring lines as well as the twelve exits sit. At that one has to distinguish between the supports of the ring lines, of which there are supports with and without a clamping ring, and those under the outlets, which have no clamping rings. And since that all is difficult to distinguish between them, and the last-mentioned numbers are not quite correct, I have once again counted thoroughly and all supports marked in a new picture. But just do not be frightened please, I want to explain it immediately at one ring line. It is unfortunately rather a plan view, but on this image all supports are to see, or maybe only to guess, sorry. Source: NASA There are first the six small triangular supports (blue) at the outlets, of which I have to make five more, so overall still 11. Source: NASA And then there are a total of 20 outlets on each ring line, when I also keep count the high slender support under the 9'' outlet. While the ring line have clamping rings at the 14 red-marked supports, they are missing from the remaining six green-marked supports. Accordingly there are respectively 26 supports on both ring lines, in total therefore 52. Source: NASA For the further assembly, I must now note that I must first attach the clamping rings at the places of the ring line, where the supports are sitting, and only after that, the supports can be glued with the ring line and finally all painted together. In order to demonstrate this already at the model, at first I have marked the support positions at the ring line and then arranged all my previous support, whereby I have now unfortunately forgotten the support under the 9'' outlet. In addition to the still missing 11 triangular supports under the outlets, I also still need two of these simple support here, which are standing behind the TSMs on the SRB Blast Shields. Source: NASA And in the case of the clamping rings we were previous year already so far, whereby for the favored right tensioning ring only the manufacturing method would have to be optimized, but I already have an idea. That's what it should have been for today and thanks for watching. Edited December 3, 2016 by spaceman Quote Link to post Share on other sites
spaceman Posted December 6, 2016 Author Share Posted December 6, 2016 Hello everybody, but always nice in sequence. Today, I got to work on the last two remaining Pipe Supports below the 16'' extensions (Ø 2.5 mm) of the ring lines in front of (respectively behind) the TSMs. As can be seen from the photo already shown, the supports are similar in construction to the 24'' ring line (Ø 4.0 mm), but they are somewhat smaller and have only one sickle for holding the tube (Ø 2, 5 mm). In the dimensioning of the support and its individual parts, the clear height under the tube of 2.5 mm was decisive. Since for this smaller support the Evergreen U-profile (2.5 mm) appeared for me too clunky, I have it this time scratched from 0.25 x 2 mm and 0.25 x 0.75 mm strips. The tiny sickles are punched (Ø 2 mm) and have a web height of approx. 0.5 mm. Since the initially provided foot parts resulted in a somewhat too high construction, I went back again to smaller beads and discs. After the substructure was glued, the tiny sickle was glued, and the first of the two supports was finished. And then I finally could exchange the previous dummy and replace with the new support, which fits well with its height under the tube. Now I have still to clone this support only. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
spaceman Posted December 6, 2016 Author Share Posted December 6, 2016 Hello guys and here comes a short update about cloning the second support. The second time everything is already somewhat easier, especially since the individual parts were already prepared. Merely the handling of the individual parts of these midgets is not easy, because even holding in the tweezers is not harmless, since they can easily jump away, therefore Safety first! But if one clamp the U-profile between two rulers, this works quite well. And the small rod to thread the individual parts is, of course, absolutely helpful and therefore indispensable. The gluing of the mini-sickle is then again the crowning conclusion. And now the umbilical stick can be separated off. Thereby the couple is completed. And now it can go on with the missing outlets on the other ring line. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
my favs are F`s Posted December 8, 2016 Share Posted December 8, 2016 Amazing! Just amazing. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
spaceman Posted December 9, 2016 Author Share Posted December 9, 2016 Thanks for watching. Hello together, after the dismantling and re-mantling of the SRB-Supports, the three outer outlets were mounted on the right-hand ring line. At it the bend of the rear outlet had to be adjusted somewhat, because it was a bit too long. The next outlet has then fitted again right away. And also the front outlet had to be modified several times, until it finally has fitted and I could give him my blessing. Tomorrow it will go around the corner to the extension of the ring line with the transition to the nozzle pipe behind the LH2-TSM. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
spaceman Posted December 10, 2016 Author Share Posted December 10, 2016 Hi there, so, then I want to bring the extension of the ring line with the nozzle tube around the corner. When looking at some NASAtech.net panoramas, I suddenly noticed again this clamping ring on the extension, which I had actually forgotten on the other side and now has to be installed later. Source: NASA It is, of course, easier to mount the extension if it is not yet glued to the ring line. And so I did this, whereby I used Lead wire (Ø 0.4 mm), which I have glued with MEK, yup, with MEK!!! And that actually works whether you believe it, or not. This astonishing effect I had noticed several times unpleasantly when gluing PE parts on a sheet metal underlay, which suddenly suddenly stuck to the underlay. And this side effect benefited me this time, especially since the clamping ring has nothing great to resist. And here the extension is already glued and fits well around the corner of the TSM dummy. This must now harden in a stable position, then it can go on. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
spaceman Posted December 15, 2016 Author Share Posted December 15, 2016 Hello everybody, since the time for drying was more than sufficient, it has now gone on. It had still been missing the two remaining 6'' outlts on the ring line behind the LH2-TSM, which got their nipples again, and then their clamping rings. And the thickenings at the foot points I have also indicated by rings. Then the two outlets were glued behind the LH2-TSM with MEK. To get the same clearance height, I have used a 2 mm rod as a spacer. Then followed the installation of the outlets on the other side behind the LOX-TSM. And without the annoying Balsa stabilizers it looks much more friendly. Therewith now all the pipes of the SSWS are finished and almost completely installed. Now I can calmly turn to the remaining 11 triangular supports at the outlets. Then both ring lines skeletons have to be removed again and all the transitions must be modeled with Apoxie Sculpt, whereby I'm scared a bit when I imagine that action in detail ... And then follows the exciting chapter Clamping rings. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
crowe-t Posted December 15, 2016 Share Posted December 15, 2016 Manfred, The SSWS looks amazing and it's very accurate to the real thing! I can't wait to see them painted. Mike. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
spaceman Posted December 15, 2016 Author Share Posted December 15, 2016 Thanks Mike for watching again and for your nice words. I am also fully satisfied with the results so far, so I had imagined the SSWS in my boldest dreams, but did not think that I would get so managed. But before the pipe skeletons are now removed again, I have set free the wild flock of birds once again. I always like to look at them again and again. BTW, I fully agree with you and can't wait to see them painted also. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
crowe-t Posted December 16, 2016 Share Posted December 16, 2016 Manfred, I'm always watching this even when I don't post. This is such an amazing build! Mike. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
my favs are F`s Posted December 16, 2016 Share Posted December 16, 2016 :)) +1 Spectacular and kinda unbelievable! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Mknorr Posted December 16, 2016 Share Posted December 16, 2016 I second what Mike said. I look forward to every single post from you Manfred. 👍 I do fell that by the time you are done building the ultimate launch pad, this thread will be longer than all the other threads combined 😂😂😂😂 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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