Any 1/48 F-4S slatted wing conversion set from GT Resin?

[Gwen Phoenix]

Hi there, Gary

I'm after the conversion of a 1/48 Monogram F-4J kit to an QF-4S standard and, by searching the Interwebz, I just came across two options which, after the OOP Steel Beach one, yours seems to be the most possible to come by, if only it were not the 1/32nd scale example I saw.

I don't care much what the kit brand the conversion is meant for; just want to graft it onto the Monogram kit if available in 1/48th scale.

Or, if there was any other option available for the conversion, will you please point me in the right direction?

Cheers,

 

Gwen 

[phantom]

Can not answer for 1/48. But I used the 1/32 and found it quite nice. One thing I have done often is swapping out my wings between Hasegawa kits. Sadly this too will not help as you are asking about Monogram.

 

[Gwen Phoenix]

20 hours ago, phantom said:

One thing I have done often is swapping out my wings between Hasegawa kits. Sadly this too will not help as you are asking about Monogram.

 

Hi phantom,

Thanks for your reply. I'm afraid 1/32 is too big for the space I've got left. Besides, all of my builds are in 1/48.

One thing you could help me with would be to order a sprue M for the Hasegawa 1/48 F-4S kit #09807. I tried ordering from Buenos Aires, and was told that they won't ship to South America. I might as well wire you the necessary quid in advance through PayPal if you'd do me such a big favour.

Just a thought; no strings attached.

Cheers,

 

Gwen 

[phantom]

Sadly I have used up all my slatted winged Phantoms, (but one).  That one I all ready have the decals purchased for the kit. Ordering to Canada is almost as problematic.

[Gwen Phoenix]

Oh, I see.

Never mind, phantom, and thanks anyway.

Anyone in the US or Japan that wants to help a lady in distress?

It'd be highly appreciated.

Cheers,

 

Gwen

[Kurt H.]

Ouch .. tough situation, even the ZM F-4S is out of stock everywhere. There are a few  Hasegawa F-4S on ebay at varying prices.  Good luck.. I understand the problem, it took me a while to find an F-4S. 

[Gwen Phoenix]

Hi Kurt,

Almost four months have gone by now and you well can see that Gary didn't even bother to reply back.

Never mind; by asking for help with this I've met a friend who've offered to assist me with this issue.

On 11/24/2023 at 5:47 PM, Kurt H. said:

Good luck.. I understand the problem, it took me a while to find an F-4S. 

 

What about this F-4E late set by Hypersonic Models? Do you think it would help?

 

 

Cheers,

 

Gwendoline

[Ben Brown]

Hi @Gwen Phoenix,

 

I’m currently using the Hypersonic conversion with the Z-M F-4E it was intended for, but I don’t see any reason why it couldn’t be adapted to work on a Monogram or Hasegawa F-4J. Note that the slats on the F-4S have a different profile than the F-4E/F/G. Here’s a quick summary of the differences: Link

 

It’s not too difficult to modify the Air Force slats to look like Navy ones. I once corrected the Hasegawa F-4S slats with a little styrene and Milliput. I think if you can handle adapting the Hypersonic conversion to fit your base kit, you’ll be able to fix the slats. I’d remove the inboard slat’s actuator fairings from the resin leading edge part and glue them to your kit wing. You’ll also need to extend the wing fence farther aft. 
 

The F-4S had the wing reinforcement strap, so Hypersonic has you covered there.

 

If you need any photos of the slats and wing fence, PM me and I’ll send them to you. 
 

HTH.

 

Ben

Edited March 4, 2024 by Ben Brown

[Ben Brown]

@Gwen Phoenix I forgot I had some pics on Imgur.

I’ll upload & post a pic of the wing fence next time I’m at my computer.

 

Ben

[Kurt H.]

8 hours ago, Gwen Phoenix said:

Hi Kurt,

Almost four months have gone by now and you well can see that Gary didn't even bother to reply back.

Never mind; by asking for help with this I've met a friend who've offered to assist me with this issue.

 

What about this F-4E late set by Hypersonic Models? Do you think it would help?

 

 

Cheers,

 

Gwendoline

 

Ben Brown has you covered, he is an acknowledged authority on the Phantom.  Depending on how accurate you want your model to be, ResKit has released a Navy phantom pylon set:  https://reskit-models.com/index.php?route=product/product&product_id=5890   and https://reskit-models.com/index.php?route=product/product&product_id=6023  

 

I am trying to finish my F-4S project after many setbacks and I ordered those pylons but have not yet received them. 

[Gwen Phoenix]

23 hours ago, Ben Brown said:

I’d remove the inboard slat’s actuator fairings from the resin leading edge part and glue them to your kit wing. You’ll also need to extend the wing fence farther aft. 

 

Hi Ben,

Quite an informative post, thank you very much!

Yes, it makes a lot more sense trying to adapt just the inboard slat actuator fairings to the Monogram kit wing than to try to graft the whole resin leading edge piece by Hypersonic Models onto the plastic kit wing, especially when the HM set was devised for the Zoukei-Mura kits. I'm still green on surgery cuts.

Highly appreciate your posting the pictures of the outer wing slat profile and fence and Tommy's blog reference.

  

23 hours ago, Ben Brown said:

 

I’ll upload & post a pic of the wing fence next time I’m at my computer.

 

Okay, Ben. Don't rush it, since I've still got to order the HM set.

 

16 hours ago, Kurt H. said:

Depending on how accurate you want your model to be, ResKit has released a Navy phantom pylon set:  https://reskit-models.com/index.php?route=product/product&product_id=5890   and https://reskit-models.com/index.php?route=product/product&product_id=6023  

 

I am trying to finish my F-4S project after many setbacks and I ordered those pylons but have not yet received them. 

 

Hi Kurt,

Those pylons by ResKit certainly look nice! Unfortunately, I don't think I could afford them. Then again, the aircraft I want to build seems not to have any pylons on it. It's been a while since I've seen this picture of a QF-4S build posted by Ben Schumacher I don't know where, and I've been itching to build it myself. The clean configuration and those markings makes it irresistible. Even sexy! (no parachute pack on the rear bang seat).

 

 

 

Hope that you finish your F-4S build, as the ResKit pylons will reach you soon.

Cheers,

 

Gwendoline

Edited March 5, 2024 by Gwen Phoenix

[Ben Brown]

Hi @Gwen Phoenix, here’s the wing fence. I just realized that I’d forgotten to point out the antenna fairings on the intakes (which I’m sure you’re already aware of!😀) and some antenna bulges on the underside near the main gear wells. I don’t think they’re included on the Monogram F-4J kit. I’ll post pics of those tomorrow, if you’re interested.

 

Cheers!

 

Ben

[Gwen Phoenix]

21 hours ago, Ben Brown said:

and some antenna bulges on the underside near the main gear wells. I don’t think they’re included on the Monogram F-4J kit. 

 

Cheers Ben,

Might those antenna bulges on the underside near the main gear wells you're talking about be included on the Steel Beach 1/48 F-4J Upgrade set by our good mate Darren? Because I know I've seen it somewhere in my husband's stash.  I'm going to beg, steal or borrow it.   

[Ben Brown]

Hi @Gwen Phoenix,

 

I’m not familiar with the Steel Beach set, but yes, they’re the sort of rounded, boxy fairings. IIRC, there are two up under the intakes and two more back near the main gear wells. I can dig up my photos of them if you’d like to have them.

 

If you “borrow” your husband’s F-4J upgrade set and he comes looking it, we’ll all claim we know nothing about it! 😀

 

Ben

[Gwen Phoenix]

Gals & Gents,

 

I've finally gotten my 1/48 F-4S conversion set for the Monogram kit by Steel Beach, thanks to the huge help of my mates @Curt B and @Darren Roberts. Thank you both, chaps 

 

Here you are some pictures (slats and wheels), so that you can see what I'm talking about:

 

 

 

 

Hopefully, could you please advise on how to free the resin parts from the plastic sheet? My set came without the instructions sheet, and Darren was kind enough as to provide me with a .doc sheet with regard to the set.

Does anyone of you happen to have the diagram which come in the instructions sheet? I've got the faintest idea what the cutting/building process is like 

Highly appreciate your help.

Cheers,

 

Gwen

[Curt B]

Gwen, thrilled that you FINALLY got your parts.  Give me some time, and check your PMs when you get a chance!

[Darren Roberts]

Sorry I didn't have anything with pictures. I purged all of my hardcopy instruction sheets when I closed the business. Glad you got everything in good shape.

[Gwen Phoenix]

Tried to figure out the parts on my Steel Beach conversion set but, unfortunately for me, I was not even able to tell whether the gray piece is the outer slat or the creamy-yellow one the inner slat... 

Having to do surgery in the dark on the Monogram F-4J kit wings is completely out of the question.

 

If anyone happens to have the diagrams on the Steel Beach 1/48 F-4JS conversion set instructions sheet and is able to send me a scan, I'll highly appreciate it.

 

Thank you so very much, chaps.

Cheers, 

 

Gwen

[Ben Brown]

On 10/29/2024 at 12:39 PM, Gwen Phoenix said:

Tried to figure out the parts on my Steel Beach conversion set but, unfortunately for me, I was not even able to tell whether the gray piece is the outer slat or the creamy-yellow one the inner slat... 

Having to do surgery in the dark on the Monogram F-4J kit wings is completely out of the question.

 

If anyone happens to have the diagrams on the Steel Beach 1/48 F-4JS conversion set instructions sheet and is able to send me a scan, I'll highly appreciate it.

 

Thank you so very much, chaps.

Cheers, 

 

Gwen

Hi Gwen,

 

I don’t have the conversion or instructions but in your photos above, it looks to me like the lighter part is an outboard slat and the tan one is the inboard. The inboard pice should be thicker. Can you post some more pics from different angles? I can’t tell if we’re looking at the parts from above or below.

 

I can dig up some more detail pictures of the slats if that would help you ID the parts.

 

Ben

[Ben Brown]

Since I love to dig around looking for stuff like this, I did some googling. I’m sure you’ve already seen this but here is the Steel Beach conversion for the Monogram kit and here is the very similar one for Academy.

 

Your two wing parts should be the port and starboard outer slats. SB provided the two long strips shown in the ScaleMates photos to glue under the inboard leading edge to make up the lip there, then you add the inboard slat fairings. IIRC, the outboard slat parts had the slat and the modified leading edge of the wing cast as one piece. 
 

I hope I’m not adding to the confusion!

 

Ben

[Gwen Phoenix]

On 10/30/2024 at 5:06 PM, Ben Brown said:

Can you post some more pics from different angles? I can’t tell if we’re looking at the parts from above or below.

 

Cheers Ben,

Thank you very much for the reply; it's highly appreciated.

Been dead to the world, but I'm slowly back to life once again. Will have some pictures of the whole set to see if together we can decipher which part is which.

 

On 10/30/2024 at 5:20 PM, Ben Brown said:

Since I love to dig around looking for stuff like this, I did some googling. I’m sure you’ve already seen this but here is the Steel Beach conversion for the Monogram kit and here is the very similar one for Academy.

 

Unfortunately, the set I've got looks nothing like either of those. I was still unable to find any graphics by SB to help me cut some plastic off my Monogram Phantom kit after all this time.

 

On 10/30/2024 at 5:20 PM, Ben Brown said:

 I hope I’m not adding to the confusion!

  

 

 

Gwen

[Ben Brown]

Hi Gwen,

 

Hopefully, we’ll be able to figure this out! If not, I saw where Zoukei Mura is reissuing their F-4S soon…. 😉

Happy Holidays!

 

Ben

Edited December 24, 2024 by Ben Brown

[Gwen Phoenix]

On 12/24/2024 at 12:02 PM, Ben Brown said:

Hopefully, we’ll be able to figure this out! If not, I saw where Zoukei Mura is reissuing their F-4S soon…. 

 

Hi Ben,

 

Have finally come round to getting some pictures of the whole set. More than four months have gone by ever since I last posted on ARC!

This is the Steel Beach 1/48 F-4S set I got thank to my mates @Darren Roberts, who has sold the last set to me, and also my mate @Curt B, who's received it in sweet Vegas and sent it to me. Worth mentioning my mate Shane @bullet100 in beautiful Hawaii, who sent me a Hasegawa 1/48 F-4J kit which the Argie post never noticed me about, so it returned back to him. 

 

I infer that the slats in gray are the outer ones, while the ones in beige are the inner slats? Also, what are those three pairs of (wing) fences for?

And what about the two gray ducts in the bottom centre? 

 

 

Here are the slats from their other side

 

 

If you can share some light with regard to how to using this set, it'll be highly appreciated, as the set came with no instructions whatsoever.

Cheers,

 

Gwen

[Ben Brown]

Hey Gwen! Welcome back!

 

I’m not at my computer so I won’t be able to label your pics, so I’ll have to describe them. Feel free to ask questions because I’ve been known to occasionally cause more confusion than reduce it. 😄 So, here we go…

 

- Grey parts at the top of the photo and the tan ones are outboard slats.

- Tan parts below the wheels are wing fences; you only need one set, so you have some spares

- The long grey parts are the undersides of the inboard slats. When the slats are retracted on the S, they have a raised lip where they meet the wing. See my photo higher up in this thread.

- The grey bits in the lower left corner: The six parts in the middle are the slat fairings. The four outboard parts are some antenna fairings that mount forward and aft of the main gear wells. The two parts at the bottom are replacements for the wing tips.

- Bottom right of the photo: The top two parts are cockpit parts; the one on the right goes on the left rear console. I’ll have to check my cockpit photos to figure out where the left one goes. The two black things are the ACS intakes. Those are the two prominent scoops next to the nose gear wells. Not sure what that thing to the immediate right is. The tan ovals are covers that go on top of the wing, directly above the main gear struts. Engine compressor faces. The tan bits at the bottom look like more antenna fairings like the ones at the bottom left of the photo.

 

Tomorrow is looking pretty crazy (again) but I’ll try to post some more pics that will help you place the various pieces. I took several hundred photos of an F-4S a few years ago, so I think I have it pretty well covered.

 

Hopefully, @Darren Roberts will come along soon and confirm or correct my post.

 

Cheers!

 

Ben

[Gwen Phoenix]

Hey Benny! 

 

How have you been? Thank you very much for your help and patience.

 

21 hours ago, Ben Brown said:

- Grey parts at the top of the photo and the tan ones are outboard slats.

 

Like so?

 

 

21 hours ago, Ben Brown said:

- The long grey parts are the undersides of the inboard slats. When the slats are retracted on the S, they have a raised lip where they meet the wing. See my photo higher up in this thread.

 

These? 

 

 

Think I'm beginning to have a grip on what is what on this set. Wish you a very nice weekend, luv.

Thank you so very much, sincerely.

Cheers,

 

Gwen

 

PS: Mr Hatherly, why have you never bother to reply back to this post in your own business section?