ElectroSoldier Posted February 2, 2006 Share Posted February 2, 2006 Does anybody know where I can find a review of the Italeri One Eleven kits? All I can find is a hasegawa one. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mungo1974 Posted February 2, 2006 Share Posted February 2, 2006 All I can find is a hasegawa one. thats all you'll ever need Quote Link to post Share on other sites
nimrod77 Posted February 2, 2006 Share Posted February 2, 2006 Don't bother with the italeri kits. They suck. Ex-esci moulds. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Gerard Posted February 2, 2006 Share Posted February 2, 2006 The Italeri 1/72 F-111A and EF-111A are ok, if you can't get the Hasegawa ones for some reason. I've got both, trying to sell them. Quality is typical Italeri. Can be nice kits IF you put enough effort into them. Regards, Gerard Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ElectroSoldier Posted February 2, 2006 Author Share Posted February 2, 2006 by ex-esci I take it you mean they are the same moulds as used in the AMT/ERTL kits? Thanks for the offer Gerard... I say your for sale ad in the far sale board and came here to ask :blink: Quote Link to post Share on other sites
hops Posted February 2, 2006 Share Posted February 2, 2006 Maybe that was discussed a lot of times before, so ... forgive me , but what's wrong with the Italeri F-111 and EF-111 versions? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ElectroSoldier Posted February 3, 2006 Author Share Posted February 3, 2006 Why is it you all say to stay away from it without being able to say why? Has anyone built it? Im looking for a kit I can build with the wings swept back, or in various degrees of sweep anyway. The jets didnt always taxi to the runway with the wings forward and flaps/slats/tail planes down... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bullet101 Posted February 3, 2006 Share Posted February 3, 2006 You can sweep the wings back on the hase F-111 with a little work, even though it doesn't say so in the instructions there are grooves on the top and bottom fuse halves that show you where to cut for a full swept wing. Still i would like to see a review of the italeri F-111's to see how they build up. I have their EF-111A so if you want i could post some sprue shots? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ElectroSoldier Posted February 3, 2006 Author Share Posted February 3, 2006 I know the hasegawa kit can be converted, but its a shame to "ruin" a nice kit with so much detail by hiding it of you know what I mean. Sprue shots would be good Quote Link to post Share on other sites
hops Posted February 3, 2006 Share Posted February 3, 2006 There's a thread about the built of the Italeri EF-111 in a german-speaking forum. Some 48 pages with quite alot of pictures.. but the text is in german. And I'm not sure if you have to register so view the pictures. THREAD Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Iron Eagle Posted February 4, 2006 Share Posted February 4, 2006 Here you go - Review It all depends on how much effort you put into it. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ElectroSoldier Posted February 4, 2006 Author Share Posted February 4, 2006 Effort... Its a One Eleven! It demands and infact it deserves all the effort you can muster Thanks guys Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bullet101 Posted February 8, 2006 Share Posted February 8, 2006 As promised here's some sprue shots from the italeri/ESCI/AMT Ertl(?) EF-111A. Sorry for the delay had to dig the kit out of my stash. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ElectroSoldier Posted February 8, 2006 Author Share Posted February 8, 2006 (edited) Looks like the AMT molding to me... Wasn't a bad kit really, in a taxing setting anyway. Cheers for the effort bullet101, much appreciated Edited February 8, 2006 by ElectroSoldier Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Raptor1 Posted December 20, 2006 Share Posted December 20, 2006 Is there just one tooling of the Hasegawa EF-111 in 72nd scale? Is the EF-111 Prototype boxing come with the same parts as the "Mountain Home" release? I want to do an F-111A but I want the dropped flaps and slats so I'm going with the Hase issue. Is that ok? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Andre Posted December 20, 2006 Share Posted December 20, 2006 Looks like the AMT molding to me... Yes, it's the same basic kit. The AMT F-111F added a new sprue with the Pave Tack, and GBU-28 parts among others (I had one years ago) to the Esci F-111A kit, while the EF-111 release had an extra sprue with the Spark Vark-specific tail parts, intake parts and (undersized) fuel tanks. I think this sprue was in AMT's F-111F boxing as well. I have two A's in the stash, one each of the Esci and Italeri boxings; these kits willl benefit from spare Hasegawa pylons as Esci only included two, but the shape of these looks off to me; included for mounting on those are two standard (so incorrect for the '111) MER racks - use Hasegawa BRU racks if you want to mount more than one bomb on a pylon. Esci also did not include the AIM-9 rail. If you have a Hasegawa FB-111/F-111G kit you have a spare pair of those and a full set of pylons, as well as the tail end piece that goes between the exhausts. If you build Hasegawa's F-111D/F kit as an F, you have spare burner cans which look better than the Esci parts and the small part that attaches to the fairing between the burner cans). There is also no scribing of the bomb bay doors under the forward fuselage, but just a few minutes with a scribing tool will fix that. All in all, while not Hasegawa, when built with the wings swept back they sure make nice models. As far as 'Varks in this scale go, it's a hell of a lot better than the Airfix and Revell kits! HTH, Andre Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bullet101 Posted December 20, 2006 Share Posted December 20, 2006 All in all, while not Hasegawa, when built with the wings swept back they sure make nice models. As far as 'Varks in this scale go, it's a hell of a lot better than the Airfix and Revell kits! HTH, Andre Whoa tell me about it i've just finished fighting with an airfix kit i have, (have the hase one, but just felt like building the airfix one, wish i hadn't bothered now) awful awful kit, my ESCI/AMT one is like gold compared to it. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Andre Posted December 20, 2006 Share Posted December 20, 2006 Whoa tell me about it i've just finished fighting with an airfix kit i have, (have the hase one, but just felt like building the airfix one, wish i hadn't bothered now) awful awful kit, my ESCI/AMT one is like gold compared to it. Well, to be fair the Airfix kit predates the Esci mold by a comfortable time, the initial F-111A being a sixties kit and the later F-111E retooling being from, I think, the mid-70s. I don't own one, all it took was one look in the box... 8) Andre Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bullet101 Posted December 20, 2006 Share Posted December 20, 2006 LOL i didn't buy mine i was given it, so i figured i'd build it, the one i have is the first boxing of the F-111E by airfix, its wierd some part are quite nice and thin, like the l=tail for instance, others require a hell of alot of work, and the break down of the nose, pit and forward fuse is just plain stupid and requires much sanding and puttying. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
dahut Posted November 30, 2009 Share Posted November 30, 2009 (edited) ESCI Rules! The many ESCI/ERTL/Italeri kits may not be Hasegawa, but they set the benchmark for quality long before anyone could even pronounce that name. They were the ones winning the awards back then. If you compare kits from the two back when they were current, the Japanese plastic wont hold a candle to the old world Italian work in the ESCI boxes. (well, that holds true for 1/72 scale, anyway. The 1/48 stuff, by comparison, was pretty dismal)). Skip to today. You can laud Hasegawa with all sorts of expletives, but just remember that they had to go some to improve on the ESCI kits. And they didnt go all THAT far in doing it. The ESCI's still hold up well, except to the wallet driven or rivet counters. Build an ESCI kit - marvel at the fineness of the engraving and overall detail. Then realize that they came from 25 years ago. It's astounding, really They arent perfect... since nothing is. The cockpits are usually sparse, since in 1:72 there aint much to see. There are occasionally some omissions or shape errors that exist. But, when you consider that I just got another F-111A for my ESCI collection and paid well under $10 to do it - well under - they start looking pretty good. Here's what the guy at KG Wings says: "The ESCI/ERTL kit is certainly less detailed than the Hasegawa EF-111, but at a fraction of the price - it's a great value! ....I thinned down the leading edge on the engine intakes and carved detail into the exhaust "turkey feathers". Fit is good overall with the exception of the canopy which I had to add shims underneath to make it fit. Cost / Value: I purchased this kit for $3.99 (US)! An unbelievable value! Panel lines are resessed and crisp. This kit is molded in a relatively soft plastic. Care is needed when sanding seams." And as someone else here said - they build up to look the part. On the dusty shelf over your model bench, that's what matters. Edited November 30, 2009 by dahut Quote Link to post Share on other sites
theplasticsurgeon Posted December 1, 2009 Share Posted December 1, 2009 Why is it you all say to stay away from it without being able to say why?Has anyone built it? Im looking for a kit I can build with the wings swept back, or in various degrees of sweep anyway. The jets didnt always taxi to the runway with the wings forward and flaps/slats/tail planes down... I've built it. The wings can sweep. There is a discussion of the configuration on my GB thread: http://www.arcforums.com/forums/air/index....howtopic=151917 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
dahut Posted December 2, 2009 Share Posted December 2, 2009 I've built it. The wings can sweep. There is a discussion of the configuration on my GB thread: http://www.arcforums.com/forums/air/index....howtopic=151917 And unless I miss my guess... its the old ESCI molded Aardvark. Italeri acquired nearly every mold that ESCI had ever cut in the the early 2000's. Im willing to bet it is the old ESCI kit, still stroking and looking good. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
UKPonchoMan Posted December 2, 2009 Share Posted December 2, 2009 Just thought I'd add my 2c worth... Firstly, the Italeri kit IS the old Esci kit. As far as I can tell, other than decals and instructions, the only change is the inclusion of the round fronted pylons which don't seem to be in the Esci kit. In terms of detail, I noticed the following:- - The tail is too long and needs cutting down. It is also angled wrongly at the bottom and will need building up with plastic card - The nacelle between the engines is too long and at the wrong angle - The intake shock cone is moulded fully retracted - for a parked aircraft, it should be fully extended - The cockpit is wider than the Hasegawa cockpit - I only realised this when I came to use the Verlinden set and it didn't fit! - The Hasegawa burner cans cannot be used on the Italeri/Esci kit as they are too small and leave a large lip - The gun pod is the wrong shape and the instructions show it in the wrong place (it should be fitted to the RH bomb bay door) - The ALQ-87 (?) pods are not correct as the antenna are too small - either replace the antenna or use a Hasegawa Weapons Set pod instead. Hopefully this is of help! Chris Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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