snickers Posted May 21, 2013 Share Posted May 21, 2013 What are the external differences? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Chief Snake Posted May 21, 2013 Share Posted May 21, 2013 What are the external differences? Single biggest identifier is that the blade chord has increased by 1.75 inches and the tips are feathered down and rearwards. UH-60M commonly have an upturned exhaust however that may not always be the case. Chris M Quote Link to post Share on other sites
HeavyArty Posted May 21, 2013 Share Posted May 21, 2013 (edited) As Chris says, the exhaust diffusers are not an M-specific feature. Actually, most don't have them. They can be added to any Black Hawk. All Ms do have the square, folding tail though, along with the above mentioned rotor blade differences. The rest of the differences are internal, such as upgraded engines, gearboxes, and avionics; an all glass IP; new pilots'/crew and troop seats that are more crash-worthy; the step fairing under the pilots' doors are also a different shape; and some other small items. Gunners' seats Glass IP Edited May 21, 2013 by HeavyArty Quote Link to post Share on other sites
hawkwrench Posted May 21, 2013 Share Posted May 21, 2013 (edited) The UH-60's have the square shaped stabilators like the spec ops birds. They also have no crew chief sliding windows, there all walled and faired in. The cockpit is all MFD's or "glass cockpit". The FLIR is mounted on an extension fairing at the lower tip of the nose and the rear window on the cargo doors are bubbled out. Most but not all M models have the UES or upturned exhaust systems. HTH Gino, beat me to the keyboard so ignore my comments! Edited May 21, 2013 by hawkwrench Quote Link to post Share on other sites
snickers Posted May 22, 2013 Author Share Posted May 22, 2013 Thank you all. I thought its gonna be a smooth conversion but I will just wait for a Mike variant to come out soon! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
CW4 Erick Swanberg Posted May 24, 2013 Share Posted May 24, 2013 Your talking about the HH-60M not the regular UH-60M. It is the only one without crewchief windows, all the others have them. Erick The UH-60's have the square shaped stabilators like the spec ops birds. They also have no crew chief sliding windows, there all walled and faired in. The cockpit is all MFD's or "glass cockpit". The FLIR is mounted on an extension fairing at the lower tip of the nose and the rear window on the cargo doors are bubbled out. Most but not all M models have the UES or upturned exhaust systems. HTH Gino, beat me to the keyboard so ignore my comments! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
CW4 Erick Swanberg Posted May 24, 2013 Share Posted May 24, 2013 That pic of the crewcheif seats are actually not used anymore. The new ones are very nice they turn and can raise up and down and slide on a track pallet. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
11bee Posted May 24, 2013 Share Posted May 24, 2013 As Chris says, the exhaust diffusers are not an M-specific feature. Actually, most don't have them. They can be added to any Black Hawk. Is this really the case? Are they retrofitting earlier L models with the new exhaust diffuser? As far as the M-model, I though only the early production helos had the older style exhaust and then it was replaced by the new style? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
CW4 Erick Swanberg Posted May 26, 2013 Share Posted May 26, 2013 All US Blackhawks coming off the assembly line have the new UES.. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
11bee Posted May 26, 2013 Share Posted May 26, 2013 (edited) All US Blackhawks coming off the assembly line have the new UES.. The return of the "toilet bowl"! Guess all those Hueys had it right after all :)/> Would be nice to see a 1/35 M-conversion, with the UES. Especially since I thought I read that the Academy kits' old style IR suppressors are hopelessly out of proportion / position. BTW, in the pictures of the early Mike above, the paint seems to be more brownish than the usual CARC. Is it just the lighting or are new Blackhawks wearing different colors when they come off the line? Edited May 26, 2013 by 11bee Quote Link to post Share on other sites
CW4 Erick Swanberg Posted May 26, 2013 Share Posted May 26, 2013 Nope same old carc helo drab Quote Link to post Share on other sites
hawkwrench Posted May 26, 2013 Share Posted May 26, 2013 Sounds like some helo modelers need to get together like Floyd and others to make a Mike model conversion set. I'm willing to help, we just need some more guys. Erick, Gino, Norbert just off the top of my head, how bout it? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
CW4 Erick Swanberg Posted May 27, 2013 Share Posted May 27, 2013 I have all the reference pics Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Chief Snake Posted May 27, 2013 Share Posted May 27, 2013 I have made most of the interior in fashion similar to other work I have done. The other crew seats are a work in progress and now I learn they are no longer correct...... I made blade tips to retro fit onto the kit blades but the blades remain the same in width. 1.75" in 1/35th scale is miniscule and resin blades droop. Not going there. The UES is difficult, two tries have not resulted in satisfactory recreation or casting. Random photos is not enough and offers of help never materialized. Without on top of it photos and measurements, sifting through internet photos just doesn't deliver what is needed. Chris M Quote Link to post Share on other sites
hawkwrench Posted May 30, 2013 Share Posted May 30, 2013 Erick, shoot me am Email of any UES pics you've got and ill take a look at seeing what I can do about making them My Email address: helodoctor282@gmail.com So in order to create a 1/35 UH-60 detail set here's what's needed according to this thread: 1) New instrument panel and console. 2) new crew seats (pics needed) 3) Upturned exhausts 4) New landing gear sponsons (pics needed) 5) New down turned rotor blade tips 6) Square stabilator (like spec ops) That looks like it. Erick, if there's anything else missing, just fill in the blanks. Might as well get the ball rolling on this if we want to model any UH-60M's huh! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
11bee Posted May 30, 2013 Share Posted May 30, 2013 Erick, shoot me am Email of any UES pics you've got and ill take a look at seeing what I can do about making them My Email address: helodoctor282@gmail.com So in order to create a 1/35 UH-60 detail set here's what's needed according to this thread: 1) New instrument panel and console. 2) new crew seats (pics needed) 3) Upturned exhausts 4) New landing gear sponsons (pics needed) 5) New down turned rotor blade tips 6) Square stabilator (like spec ops) That looks like it. Erick, if there's anything else missing, just fill in the blanks. Might as well get the ball rolling on this if we want to model any UH-60M's huh! If you want to include everything needed to turn the base Academy UH-60L into an M, you would also need to provide all the updated ASE equipment now carried. I think Cobra already has this in resin (not sure if they included the extra flare buckets or just the sensors). Quote Link to post Share on other sites
hawkwrench Posted May 30, 2013 Share Posted May 30, 2013 I don't know, but I think Chris probably would include them as part of the set, and what's not done already can be made Im sure. Cobra always has done good work! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
doupnik Posted May 30, 2013 Share Posted May 30, 2013 (edited) One other thing that I have noticed is that the steps on the side of the fuselage do not seem to be covered by doors on the M. If you look through the windows of the cabin doors, you can see the holes where the doors used to be. Erik, am I correct in this? mason Edited May 30, 2013 by doupnik Quote Link to post Share on other sites
hawkwrench Posted May 30, 2013 Share Posted May 30, 2013 What holes are you talking about? Got a pic of it? I'm not sure what your refering to. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
hawkwrench Posted May 30, 2013 Share Posted May 30, 2013 Never mine, I see what your saying now. I wonder why those spring loaded doors were taken off and left blank? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
rotorwash Posted May 30, 2013 Share Posted May 30, 2013 (edited) I have no idea if these will help, but I took them of a UH-60M at Ft. Rucker's Hanchey AAF in 2011. I do think it has the newer crewchief seats described by Erick. Feel free to use them, share them or whatever you like. This bird is, of course, a trainer. Full set of images can be found HERE. Ray Edited May 30, 2013 by rotorwash Quote Link to post Share on other sites
CW4 Erick Swanberg Posted June 2, 2013 Share Posted June 2, 2013 Yes you are correct, not sure why the deleted the covers maybe they figured it didnt do much of anything to help with drag not sure. Erick One other thing that I have noticed is that the steps on the side of the fuselage do not seem to be covered by doors on the M. If you look through the windows of the cabin doors, you can see the holes where the doors used to be. Erik, am I correct in this? mason Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Floyd S. Werner, Jr. Posted June 2, 2013 Share Posted June 2, 2013 Erick, shoot me am Email of any UES pics you've got and ill take a look at seeing what I can do about making them My Email address: helodoctor282@gmail.com So in order to create a 1/35 UH-60 detail set here's what's needed according to this thread: 1) New instrument panel and console. 2) new crew seats (pics needed) 3) Upturned exhausts 4) New landing gear sponsons (pics needed) 5) New down turned rotor blade tips 6) Square stabilator (like spec ops) That looks like it. Erick, if there's anything else missing, just fill in the blanks. Might as well get the ball rolling on this if we want to model any UH-60M's huh! The other thing not mentioned is that besides the downturned blade tips the blades are wider chordwise. Floyd Quote Link to post Share on other sites
hawkwrench Posted June 2, 2013 Share Posted June 2, 2013 The new blades were widened 1.75 inches, so In 1/35 scale I don't see that small addition being noticeable. At least I don't think it would. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
CW4 Erick Swanberg Posted June 3, 2013 Share Posted June 3, 2013 Other than the new blade tips an additional trim tab is the only thing in 35th scale that would be needed Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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