JEN722 Posted May 14, 2006 Share Posted May 14, 2006 Earlier this week I bought two 1/48th scale Kopro kits; the Su-17/22 M-3 and the Su-22 M-4R. I also bought two Neomega resin cockpits as well as a Linden Hill (LH) decal sheet (Fitters over the Panjshir Valley) and a Propagteam (PPT) decal sheet (48102). My plans are to build an Afghan Fitter and a Russian Fitter from the War in Afghanistan. The PPT sheet offers markings for an Afghan Su-22 M4 c/n 39204 (coded 804) - an aircraft in which its pilot defected to Pakistan. The LH sheets offers markings for 5 Fitters from the War in Afghanistan, some M-3s and some M-4s. One of the aircraft I like the most on that sheet is an M-4R that carries a large recce pod with a shark mouth. If I am going to build this one, I will have to build the M-3 as an Afghan aircraft. My question is: Did the Afghans operate the Su-22 M-3 (searches on the internet haven't convinced me). If so, can anyone point me to reference pictures of Afghan Fitters? Also, is there anywhere I can find pictures of Su-17 M-3 'Red 26' of the 136th IBAP? Any help would be appreciated. Thanks in advance, Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Su-34 Posted May 14, 2006 Share Posted May 14, 2006 Afghanistan did operate Su-17/22 Fitter, but i didnt found any info about that Afganistan did use Su-22M3, but you can always try... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Laurent Posted May 14, 2006 Share Posted May 14, 2006 AFAIK, Su-22 M-3 have only been delivered to Hungary and Libya. In fact, you have a Su-17 M-3 kit, not a Su-22 M-3. In the later, the rear fuselage section is wider because the engine's different and bigger. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JEN722 Posted May 23, 2006 Author Share Posted May 23, 2006 OK, thanks for your replies. I guess I'll just build a Soviet M-3 and an Afghan M-4 then. Now, if only I could find some refence pictures of Soviet Fitters in Afghanistan... Regards, Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Raymond Posted May 23, 2006 Share Posted May 23, 2006 (edited) you got my email, right? :P The DRAAF operated small numbers of Su-22m3s, though m2 and m4 models were more numerious. from the serials it appears these were perhaps soviet AC left behind by for the DRAAF or supplied at a later date, as M3s occupy the upper serial range of the 321st fighter bomber regiment, with the later m4 varients wearing earlier numbers, which is odd. Su-22m3s standard scheme consists of a 2 tone camo scheme of a pink/brown and mid-light green. Exeption to this rule is the M3 at bagram which was origionaly a russian fitter and 'moded' into draaf roundels, the profile for this can be found on Avmias site. though serial will need alteration Roughly 7 m3s have survived in some reasonable condition: 1 at mazar, 3 at bagram, 2 at shindand, 1 at khandahar. there is a split between red and white serials, notibly the bagram machines carry red serials. Draaf roundals of '804' will be fine for a M3. my first m3 (with goofball serial) 840 at shindand origionaly russian Bagram Mazar another view at mazar: another in return, I was wondering if you can help me out with soem L-39 pics? Regards Raymond Edited May 23, 2006 by Raymond Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JEN722 Posted May 23, 2006 Author Share Posted May 23, 2006 you got my email, right? :PThe DRAAF operated small numbers of Su-22m3s... in return, I was wondering if you can help me out with soem L-39 pics? Regards Raymond Thanks a lot Raymond! No, I haven't received any e-mails from you. :( Could you please re-send it? Perhaps I should go for an Afghan M-3 then. I will have to study the pictures further to find out which one to build. Right now I'm battling with the wings (not a great fit on the Kopro kits). Your model looks good btw. I wish I had had the chance to go see and photograph some of the derelict aircraft in Afghanistan. I did see a couple of Hips (don't remember where) and I also saw some tailfins here and there but I had no good photo opportunities. Only chances I got were at KAIA. I will dig out some L-39 photos for you and send them in my reply to your e-mail (just be aware that the quality might not be the best in all cases). Regards, Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Raymond Posted May 23, 2006 Share Posted May 23, 2006 hiya! ah ok, ive fowarded to ur admin@amarc account, contains a 1mb sampler of Afghan fitters, though ive postest all the m3 content here. Personaly i think an M-3 woudl be cool! 804s kinda been 'done' and would be great to see something different.....ive got more shots of 840 at shindand...not a complete walk around, but anothr 5-6 photos to work with if needed. jsut recently ive scored some more photos of an M4 fitter similar to 804, but wearing a 2 tone brown scheme...the pics arnt great, but ive got enough to piece together an idea of how to paint it.... ...then theirs the kabul airport gate guardian!! got too many photos of that one! :P cheers with photos! :( regards Raymond Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Raymond Posted May 27, 2006 Share Posted May 27, 2006 Hiya Jen! just checking u got my email? heres a su-7 i posted over on KP Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Skull Leader Posted May 27, 2006 Share Posted May 27, 2006 Ray, these pictures are not "inspiration", they are depressing! <_< If I'm gonna be building a polish M4 pretty soon (and I am), I need pics of Fitters turning and burning! (and no, not burning to the ground! :) ) Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Raymond Posted May 27, 2006 Share Posted May 27, 2006 :) just cant please some ppl, can ya :P Quote Link to post Share on other sites
davetur Posted May 27, 2006 Share Posted May 27, 2006 Ray, these pictures are not "inspiration", they are depressing! :) If I'm gonna be building a polish M4 pretty soon (and I am), I need pics of Fitters turning and burning! (and no, not burning to the ground! ;) ) Airliner.net has quite a few nice pics of Polish Fitters And you can find excellent detail shots of theme here: http://www.lotnictwo.isp.pl/su22/index1.html If you can get hold of a copy of the magazine Aeroplan issue 5/6 '02 (, it has a wealth of info including details, colour schemes and a CD with even more details and photos of each Su-22 in the Polish AF Davide Quote Link to post Share on other sites
davetur Posted May 27, 2006 Share Posted May 27, 2006 Thanks a lot Raymond! No, I haven't received any e-mails from you. ;)Could you please re-send it? Perhaps I should go for an Afghan M-3 then. I will have to study the pictures further to find out which one to build. Right now I'm battling with the wings (not a great fit on the Kopro kits). Your model looks good btw. I wish I had had the chance to go see and photograph some of the derelict aircraft in Afghanistan. I did see a couple of Hips (don't remember where) and I also saw some tailfins here and there but I had no good photo opportunities. Only chances I got were at KAIA. I will dig out some L-39 photos for you and send them in my reply to your e-mail (just be aware that the quality might not be the best in all cases). Regards, Su-22M3s were also delivered to Hungary and Peru. You can find a link to Peru's Sukhoi here http://www.airliners.net/open.file?id=0891...=0891162&size=L Sorry, don't know how to make it shorter :) Davide Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Prowler Posted May 27, 2006 Share Posted May 27, 2006 (edited) A few more photos of Polish Sukhoi's: www.lotnictwo.net (click "nastepne>" on the bottom of the screen to see next page of photos) Edited May 27, 2006 by Prowler Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JEN722 Posted May 27, 2006 Author Share Posted May 27, 2006 Hiya Jen!just checking u got my email? ;) heres a su-7 i posted over on KP Hi Raymond, Yes I did - thanks a lot. I have just sent you a reply with a couple of pictures attached. What's KP? Regards, Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Laurent Posted May 27, 2006 Share Posted May 27, 2006 What's KP? http://forum.keypublishing.co.uk/index.php? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Skull Leader Posted May 27, 2006 Share Posted May 27, 2006 Prowler, Davetur, thanks for the links.. I've already raided airliners.net for every last image they have... now I'll check those out! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
tiger331 Posted May 28, 2006 Share Posted May 28, 2006 Hello, please, do you have anybody a camouflage scheme for Syrian Su-20? Thanks Quote Link to post Share on other sites
davetur Posted May 28, 2006 Share Posted May 28, 2006 Prowler, Davetur, thanks for the links.. I've already raided airliners.net for every last image they have... now I'll check those out! My pleasure Davide Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Raymond Posted May 28, 2006 Share Posted May 28, 2006 Hello,please, do you have anybody a camouflage scheme for Syrian Su-20? Thanks Regards Raymond Quote Link to post Share on other sites
EWZ Posted May 31, 2006 Share Posted May 31, 2006 (edited) What I could find via Google was that Afghanistan was using the Fitter C. The Fitter C is Su-17M with downgraded avionics. Later they also recieved Su-22U/UM 'Fitter-E' and Su-22UM3/UM3K's. you can find it here Cheers Evert Edited May 31, 2006 by EWZ Quote Link to post Share on other sites
alvmaia Posted June 1, 2006 Share Posted June 1, 2006 New link here: http://br.geocities.com/alvmaia/Sukhoi/20/index.html Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Pommie Commie Posted June 1, 2006 Share Posted June 1, 2006 Some inspiration.........decal makers..........OVER TO YOU! Paul In NZ Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Raymond Posted June 1, 2006 Share Posted June 1, 2006 (edited) What I could find via Google was that Afghanistan was using the Fitter C.The Fitter C is Su-17M with downgraded avionics. Later they also recieved Su-22U/UM 'Fitter-E' and Su-22UM3/UM3K's. Hiya! heres a break down of recorded types in afghan service: Su-22 - most common next to m4s Su-22Ms - fairly rare Su-22m3s - 1 ex soviet machine found Su-22m4s delivery as early as late 70s, by far the most numerious for 2 seaters ive only ever seen one in the su-22 aerofax? book serial '69' (if someone could provide a scan i woudl be extrememly greatfull <_< ) IIRC its a 22um3k, never seen any 22ums thoug Regards Raymond Edited June 1, 2006 by Raymond Quote Link to post Share on other sites
kap64 Posted June 1, 2006 Share Posted June 1, 2006 Earlier this week I bought two 1/48th scale Kopro kits; the Su-17/22 M-3 and the Su-22 M-4R.I also bought two Neomega resin cockpits as well as a Linden Hill (LH) decal sheet (Fitters over the Panjshir Valley) and a Propagteam (PPT) decal sheet (48102). My plans are to build an Afghan Fitter and a Russian Fitter from the War in Afghanistan. The PPT sheet offers markings for an Afghan Su-22 M4 c/n 39204 (coded 804) - an aircraft in which its pilot defected to Pakistan. The LH sheets offers markings for 5 Fitters from the War in Afghanistan, some M-3s and some M-4s. One of the aircraft I like the most on that sheet is an M-4R that carries a large recce pod with a shark mouth. If I am going to build this one, I will have to build the M-3 as an Afghan aircraft. My question is: Did the Afghans operate the Su-22 M-3 (searches on the internet haven't convinced me). If so, can anyone point me to reference pictures of Afghan Fitters? Also, is there anywhere I can find pictures of Su-17 M-3 'Red 26' of the 136th IBAP? Any help would be appreciated. Thanks in advance, Where were you able to find a 1/48 Kopro SU-22? I've had no luck finding one so far. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Skull Leader Posted June 1, 2006 Share Posted June 1, 2006 I wound up getting mine here in the Buy/Trade section (thanks Mike!). They're not exactly common, but I don't think they're impossible to find. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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