Skull Leader Posted August 25, 2016 Share Posted August 25, 2016 (edited) IRIAF F-14A plus with reverse engineering . Did they stop calling it the F-14AM? The F-14A+ was the original designation for GE equipped tomcats that would later be re-labelled F-14B IRIAF F-14A bombcat nice photoshopped pilot, lol. Far more interesting is the racked SUU-20s mounted under the jets. First time I've seen that, whether they actually fly them like that or not. IRIAF F-14A launch sporrow missile. I love the Iranian proclivity for taping off some of the numbers as a security measure, failing to understand that the Bureau Number is not only visible, but legible as well. Also evidenced in other photos where they tape off the english numbers while the farsi ones remain visible (easy enough to learn and translate). The US is more than well aware of how many are still flying. More damaging to the IRIAF is that these jets are (almost) never photographed with armaments in the air, which makes all of those ground photos look staged. The missiles on this jet appear to be "live" ordnance at an airshow setting. Those weapons are either falsely painted (I've seen Iranian training rounds before, I know they exist), or the Iranians are even more stupid than I thought, staging a jet with live ordnance for an airshow display. Still, good photos. Welcome to the board and thank you for sharing! Edited August 25, 2016 by Skull Leader Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JackMan Posted August 25, 2016 Share Posted August 25, 2016 Jackman some japanese modeller did it http://rekitakitsunediary.blog.fc2.com/blog-entry-6.html He says that camo is probably not 100% accurate due the lack of clear reference Thanks Mizar. That looks really good. A bit too clean but quite convincing. If pervis ( or anyone else) can provide pictures of the top and both sides, it'd be great reference for this camo scheme. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Mizar Posted August 25, 2016 Share Posted August 25, 2016 the complete camouflage probably is in another blog or in the in progress part of it. Had once to get through 100 pages of a blog just to download someone in progress pics of his F-15 S/MTD cause he was doing a hell of a job Anyway I've got it check your PM Quote Link to post Share on other sites
pervis Posted August 25, 2016 Share Posted August 25, 2016 (edited) Im sorry for thinking some friends in IRIAF.Iran has no need for America to overhaul F-14s but they can not believe it and They ignore the Iranian intelligence. bombcat is photoshop ? :yahoo:/>/>/> :jaw-dropping:/>/>/> 3d como IRIAF F-14AM for Jackman. Edited August 25, 2016 by pervis Quote Link to post Share on other sites
pervis Posted August 25, 2016 Share Posted August 25, 2016 Did they stop calling it the F-14AM? The F-14A+ was the original designation for GE equipped tomcats that would later be re-labelled F-14B nice photoshopped pilot, lol. Far more interesting is the racked SUU-20s mounted under the jets. First time I've seen that, whether they actually fly them like that or not. I love the Iranian proclivity for taping off some of the numbers as a security measure, failing to understand that the Bureau Number is not only visible, but legible as well. Also evidenced in other photos where they tape off the english numbers while the farsi ones remain visible (easy enough to learn and translate). The US is more than well aware of how many are still flying. More damaging to the IRIAF is that these jets are (almost) never photographed with armaments in the air, which makes all of those ground photos look staged. The missiles on this jet appear to be "live" ordnance at an airshow setting. Those weapons are either falsely painted (I've seen Iranian training rounds before, I know they exist), or the Iranians are even more stupid than I thought, staging a jet with live ordnance for an airshow display. Still, good photos. Welcome to the board and thank you for sharing! http://hw7.asset.aparat.com/aparat-video/a_11n7lg8hk9jm7l1njo3ljj2m8mo0j6j239nn32992586-993y__97ed6.mp4 http://hw1.asset.aparat.com/aparat-video/a_84d19m5h3i27k7i14lp0896l3kk709jj99i2m817855__837af.mp4 http://hw1.asset.aparat.com/aparat-video/a_7c5d6ep06047k204n33p0o365464npq0425388861936-744c__d43a2.mp4 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JackMan Posted August 25, 2016 Share Posted August 25, 2016 Mizar, PM replied. Thank you! Pervis, that's great! Thanks much! It helps a lot Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Skull Leader Posted August 25, 2016 Share Posted August 25, 2016 Bombcat is photoshop? No, the PILOT. I know the chaff/flare layout of the Ali-cats. I was pointing out to someone else that they existed. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
pervis Posted August 25, 2016 Share Posted August 25, 2016 IRIAF F-14A is shooting Howk missle . Quote Link to post Share on other sites
RaymondNZ Posted August 25, 2016 Share Posted August 25, 2016 The problem with determining fact from fiction is there is a large amount of propaganda (produced for domestic consumption ) hence the burden of proof that any of these loadouts are actually part of a operational weapon system is quite high Id love to believe the Iranians are doing all sorts of wierd and wonderfull munitions mashups with their fleet, but i just dont see it... Chinas a good example, for a few years you see ac with different combo of weapons then a standardized loadout starts appearing.. With iran much fanfare is made over a specific event then it dissapears, as skull said the lafk of ordinance on flying aircraft is telling ..id be expecting to see inert training rounds as common place if systems were operational My 2c anyway ☺ Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Skull Leader Posted August 26, 2016 Share Posted August 26, 2016 The problem with determining fact from fiction is there is a large amount of propaganda (produced for domestic consumption ) hence the burden of proof that any of these loadouts are actually part of a operational weapon system is quite high Id love to believe the Iranians are doing all sorts of wierd and wonderfull munitions mashups with their fleet, but i just dont see it... Chinas a good example, for a few years you see ac with different combo of weapons then a standardized loadout starts appearing.. With iran much fanfare is made over a specific event then it dissapears, as skull said the lafk of ordinance on flying aircraft is telling ..id be expecting to see inert training rounds as common place if systems were operational My 2c anyway ☺ To be fair, ALL of their aircraft seem to be that way. Virtually anything you find on airliners.net or anywhere of similar ilk of the Iranian air force will be sans-weapons. the only time anything ever seems to get loaded is if the aircraft is on the ground (or very rare instances, like the above photos where Ali-cats escorted the Russian knights across Iranian airspace. Even then, just hanging the weapons/shapes doesn't mean they'll work... As much as I love the Tomcat (even Ali-Cats, which hold a weird fascination for me), I'd be extremely surprised if these aircraft could successfully defend Iran from anything. They still have around 40 or so flying, but just because they can still fly doesn't mean they're fully (or even partially) mission-capable. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
a4s4eva Posted August 26, 2016 Share Posted August 26, 2016 Ignoring the politics, that Iran has kept this incredibly complicated aircraft flying for as long as it has, without OEM support is, from an engineering perspective, quite incredible. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
pervis Posted August 26, 2016 Share Posted August 26, 2016 To be fair, ALL of their aircraft seem to be that way. Virtually anything you find on airliners.net or anywhere of similar ilk of the Iranian air force will be sans-weapons. the only time anything ever seems to get loaded is if the aircraft is on the ground (or very rare instances, like the above photos where Ali-cats escorted the Russian knights across Iranian airspace. Even then, just hanging the weapons/shapes doesn't mean they'll work... As much as I love the Tomcat (even Ali-Cats, which hold a weird fascination for me), I'd be extremely surprised if these aircraft could successfully defend Iran from anything. They still have around 40 or so flying, but just because they can still fly doesn't mean they're fully (or even partially) mission-capable. I agree with this. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
pervis Posted August 26, 2016 Share Posted August 26, 2016 Ignoring the politics, that Iran has kept this incredibly complicated aircraft flying for as long as it has, without OEM support is, from an engineering perspective, quite incredible. so right Quote Link to post Share on other sites
pervis Posted August 26, 2016 Share Posted August 26, 2016 Hi, very nice pictures! Do you have anymore pictures of this one? Especially the camouflage from the top & side? It will be a future model project. I might use the Fujimi F-14A http://www.toremmodellismo.it/images/MIEI%20KIT/AEREI/FUJIMI/133_3385.JPG Thank you :cheers:/> This design is exact. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JackMan Posted August 27, 2016 Share Posted August 27, 2016 (edited) Good stuff, pervis! Just for info, in case some of you are interested in building models of IIAF / IRIAF aircraft, I have found the following Lifecolor paints to be a good match for the Iranian desert schemes: LIFECOLOR FS 36622 UA 021 LIGHT GREY FS 30400 UA 084 GERMAN DESERT YELLOW FS 30140 UA 085 BROWN SPECIAL FS 34079 UA 001 FOREST GREEN This Greek modeler has used these Lifecolor colors to good effect: http://www.helmo.gr/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1142&Itemid=41 For a long time I tried to find the unique "yellow tan/ butterscotch" color of IIAF/IRIAF aircraft and after I came across the above Greek modeler's build, I bought a bottle of the Lifecolor FS 30400 (UA 084 GERMAN DESERT YELLOW), and I would say it's a good match. Although you may want to lighten it with white color to get that desert-weather-faded effect. It's also a good color for some of the early "Top Gun" aircraft such as A-4 Skyhawk https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/ea/A-4E_Skyhawk_Top_Gun_at_NAS_Miramar.jpeg http://cdn.c.photoshelter.com/img-get2/I0000H_BXZ6UsgCc/fit=1000x750/09297-A4-GNH.jpg https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a1/F-16N_A-4F_NFWS_over_Lower_Otay_Reservoir_1991.JPEG http://fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/ac/a-4f-DNST9208306_JPG.jpg Edited August 27, 2016 by JackMan Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JackMan Posted August 27, 2016 Share Posted August 27, 2016 This design is exact.[/url] Looks to be exact :thumbsup:/> Quote Link to post Share on other sites
pervis Posted August 27, 2016 Share Posted August 27, 2016 (edited) Good stuff, pervis! :thumbsup:/>/>/> Just for info, in case some of you are interested in building models of IIAF / IRIAF aircraft, I have found the following Lifecolor paints to be a good match for the Iranian desert schemes: LIFECOLOR FS 36622 UA 021 LIGHT GREY FS 30400 UA 084 GERMAN DESERT YELLOW FS 30140 UA 085 BROWN SPECIAL FS 34079 UA 001 FOREST GREEN This Greek modeler has used these Lifecolor colors to good effect: http://www.helmo.gr/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1142&Itemid=41 For a long time I tried to find the unique "yellow tan/ butterscotch" color of IIAF/IRIAF aircraft and after I came across the above Greek modeler's build, I bought a bottle of the Lifecolor FS 30400 (UA 084 GERMAN DESERT YELLOW), and I would say it's a good match. Although you may want to lighten it with white color to get that desert-weather-faded effect. It's also a good color for some of the early "Top Gun" aircraft such as A-4 Skyhawk https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/ea/A-4E_Skyhawk_Top_Gun_at_NAS_Miramar.jpeg http://cdn.c.photoshelter.com/img-get2/I0000H_BXZ6UsgCc/fit=1000x750/09297-A4-GNH.jpg https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a1/F-16N_A-4F_NFWS_over_Lower_Otay_Reservoir_1991.JPEG http://fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/ac/a-4f-DNST9208306_JPG.jpg very good jack .Aigore worked great . You can also get help from them. thanks http://www.arcforums.com/forums/air/index.php?showtopic=292026&st=160 Edited August 27, 2016 by pervis Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Leon Posted December 30, 2023 Share Posted December 30, 2023 On 2/6/2013 at 8:36 AM, Rocky said: The only way you would ever see that missile combination on an F-14A would be with the two Phoenix mounted on the forward belly pallets. Two Sparrows would be on the wing pylons and the third would be in the aft centerline position. The reason for this is that the AIM-54A required cooling from the aircraft, and the cooling units were inside the Phoenix pallets on the fuselage. Plumbing to the AIM-54A on other stations came from those pallets. AIM-54C missiles can be mounted on the wing pylons without the pallets because they don't require external cooling systems. So you might find photos of a USN F-14D with AIM-54C mounted only on wing pylons, but you won't find an F-14A with AIM-54A loaded like that. The Iranian AF never had AIM-54C. You would. This is a screenshot from a Grumman company film on youtube. @ 12.09 Sorry for awakening an old thread. For future reference. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
GW8345 Posted December 31, 2023 Share Posted December 31, 2023 While you can load a Phoenix on the wing without the Weapons Rails on the forward stations being installed the one big problem is...........it won't work. For the F-14A and B, you need the Weapons Rails on the forward stations in order to get both power and coolant out to the wing stations, period. Now, one thing Rocky did get wrong is that on the F-14A and B, you still needed the Weapons Rails on the forward stations even with the AIM-54C, the AIM-54C was not the dry missile, it was the AIM-54C+ that was the dry missile and it was only authorized on the F-14D. Also, the screen shot you grab does show the Weapons Rails loaded on the forward stations, look at time stamp 12:07, the rails are there and there is a AIM-54A sitting under the aircraft waiting to be loaded. GW Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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