rotorwash Posted March 12, 2017 Share Posted March 12, 2017 Maybe, Tim. I bet it's a Bell color. Let me check with some of my buddies at Bell and see if the have info on it. Ray Quote Link to post Share on other sites
hawkwrench Posted March 12, 2017 Author Share Posted March 12, 2017 Great Ray, thanks. Slowly getting everything ready to start. I still gotta order the Reedoak figures. Tim Quote Link to post Share on other sites
salvador001 Posted March 13, 2017 Share Posted March 13, 2017 Im waiting for Italeri to re-release their 206 in 1/48 so i can build this bird. I might paint it with international orange and semi gloss white. Rod. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
rotorwash Posted March 14, 2017 Share Posted March 14, 2017 OK, after a bit of asking and looking, I suggest FS 12243, 12246 or 12473. See what you think. International Orange has too much red in it to my eye. Ray FS color chart: http://www.federalstandardcolor.com/ Quote Link to post Share on other sites
hawkwrench Posted March 14, 2017 Author Share Posted March 14, 2017 Thanks for looking for me Ray. I think FS 12246 looks pretty close to me. Tim Quote Link to post Share on other sites
rotorwash Posted March 14, 2017 Share Posted March 14, 2017 That was Jon Bernstein's assessment as well, Tim, and he flew them at Rucker. Ray Quote Link to post Share on other sites
hawkwrench Posted March 14, 2017 Author Share Posted March 14, 2017 Then that's what it I'll get. Whatever happened to Jon anyway? Tim Quote Link to post Share on other sites
midnightprowler Posted March 14, 2017 Share Posted March 14, 2017 (edited) 5 hours ago, hawkwrench said: Then that's what it I'll get. Whatever happened to Jon anyway? Tim Yes, inquiring minds want to know. He used to frequent FSM. Edited March 14, 2017 by midnightprowler Quote Link to post Share on other sites
hawkwrench Posted March 21, 2017 Author Share Posted March 21, 2017 Ray, does the whole helicopter have a gloss finish? I know the black nose would be glossy, but sometimes it looks like the rest of the helo is flat. Can you check for me? Thanks Ray! Tim Quote Link to post Share on other sites
HeavyArty Posted March 21, 2017 Share Posted March 21, 2017 It is actually the other way around. The black nose is semi-gloss to reduce glare and the rest of the helo is gloss. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
hawkwrench Posted March 21, 2017 Author Share Posted March 21, 2017 Cool, thanks Gino. Do they make semi gloss paints? Tim Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DonSS3 Posted March 21, 2017 Share Posted March 21, 2017 Modelmaster makes a premixed semi-gloss overcoat. I think it comes in Spray Can and Bottled versions (for Airbrush use). Quote Link to post Share on other sites
hawkwrench Posted March 21, 2017 Author Share Posted March 21, 2017 Just curious, but why is the helo painted glossy, and not flat like everything else? I know everything else is painted CARC, but it seems like flat would be easier to have on a training helicopter. Tim Quote Link to post Share on other sites
HeavyArty Posted March 21, 2017 Share Posted March 21, 2017 The gloss is easier to keep clean and pretty, esp. with the white. Also, no need to be flat/subdued since it is not a tactical helo. These are the same reasons USCG helos are gloss. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
salvador001 Posted March 21, 2017 Share Posted March 21, 2017 Another reason why they are painted with bright and gloss colors are for visibility purposes, they need to be visible to everyone, specially in congested airspace. Rod. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
rotorwash Posted March 22, 2017 Share Posted March 22, 2017 Plus the TH-67 was basically a civilian 206. The paint job not only adds visibility but evokes the civilian nature of the aircraft. These aircraft were painted by Bell Ozark towards the end of their career if not their whole service life so it's no surprise they got the flying creamsickle treatment. Ray Quote Link to post Share on other sites
rotorwash Posted March 22, 2017 Share Posted March 22, 2017 (edited) 10 hours ago, HeavyArty said: It is actually the other way around. The black nose is semi-gloss to reduce glare and the rest of the helo is gloss. Sorry, but it don't look that way in this photo I took at the stage field. The nose is definitely gloss as indicated by the bright reflections and the rest of the fuselage looks semigloss. However, here's one straight off the paint rack at Bell Ozark and I'd say she was pretty much gloss all over. Just for fun, here is the original TH-67 flown by my buddy Sam Boyer III. Edited March 22, 2017 by rotorwash Quote Link to post Share on other sites
HeavyArty Posted March 22, 2017 Share Posted March 22, 2017 I guess it depends on which bird you are looking at and how long it has been in service. Needless to say, they are not flat. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
rotorwash Posted March 22, 2017 Share Posted March 22, 2017 3 minutes ago, HeavyArty said: I guess it depends on which bird you are looking at and how long it has been in service. Needless to say, they are not flat. Did you happen to notice the first TH-67 had an all white nose? I need to ask Sam if that made any difference vs the black one. Ray Quote Link to post Share on other sites
rotorwash Posted March 22, 2017 Share Posted March 22, 2017 Well, Tim, I can't get you any closer to the source than Sam. Below is our exchange on Facebook. Let me know if you have other questions about the TH-67. Ray Sam , can you tell me if Bell had the paint contract for TH-67s throughout their life or just at the end when they were painted at Bell Ozark? Also, any idea why the particular paint scheme was chosen? Sam Boyer III The first 3/4 of the contract were painted at Premier Aviation in Grand Prairie where I was project pilot for 2-3 years. Gary Morton and later, Larry Slatton rode herd on quality making my job a snap. Unlike · Reply · 1 · 15 mins Ray Wilhite So you used civilian paint then, Sam? Like · Reply · 14 mins Sam Boyer III The paint was an Army spec. The Enstrom, Schweitzer and Eurocopter candidate aircraft were all painted in the same way during the competition that John Williams and I won in 1993 at Rucker. Like · Reply · 12 mins Sam Boyer III It was polyurethane paint, commercial standard. Like · Reply · 10 mins Ray Wilhite Thanks. I have a point to all these questions, Sam. My buddy is building a model of one. One other question he had was would you consider the paint job gloss or semi-gloss? The black nose sure looks like gloss to me. Like · Reply · 10 mins Sam Boyer III All gloss, the black was added post award of the contract because the project officer didn't think it was a visible enough aircraft in the training environment at Rucker. I said okay, here's the contracts phone number.... Like · Reply · 7 mins Sam Boyer III Yes, DuPont as I recall Like · Reply · 5 mins Ray Wilhite Awesome info, Sam! Thanks so much! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
hawkwrench Posted March 22, 2017 Author Share Posted March 22, 2017 (edited) Wow. Thanks a bunch Ray, for going above and beyond to answer my questions. I sure would like to know what model aircraft were in the competition. A UH-72 in flying creamsicle scheme would definitely be a conversation piece for sure. Can you ask him one more question for me. While running, I keep noticing what looks like a triangular scoop looking thing on the bottom of the helo just forward of the lower anti-collision beacon. What is it and could he or you dig up some pics of it? If not, no big deal. I was just wondering. Thanks again Ray, I really appreciate all you've done for my project. Tim Edited March 22, 2017 by hawkwrench Quote Link to post Share on other sites
hawkwrench Posted April 10, 2017 Author Share Posted April 10, 2017 (edited) Does anybody KNOW what this thing is that I've circled? When I look at pics of the helo sitting on the ground not started, it's always retracted up into the belly, but every pic I see where the rotors are turning, the "cowl flap" is open. What is this? I'm looking for an answer so I can model it on my TH-67. Thanks Tim Edited April 10, 2017 by hawkwrench Quote Link to post Share on other sites
rotorwash Posted April 11, 2017 Share Posted April 11, 2017 On 3/22/2017 at 4:13 AM, hawkwrench said: 4 hours ago, hawkwrench said: Does anybody KNOW what this thing is that I've circled? When I look at pics of the helo sitting on the ground not started, it's always retracted up into the belly, but every pic I see where the rotors are turning, the "cowl flap" is open. What is this? I'm looking for an answer so I can model it on my TH-67. Thanks Tim According to my buddy, Sam, who flew these birds for Bell, It's the air inlet for the air conditioner. Ray Quote Link to post Share on other sites
rotorwash Posted April 11, 2017 Share Posted April 11, 2017 A bit more info from a Bell mechanic, William Vandegrift. " The first AC mods on the TH 67 the condenser and blower was installed in the left side baggage compartment. This was not very efficient and hard to change out the blower motor. This scoop and blower underneath where it could get cooler air was much more efficient and easier to work on." Ray Quote Link to post Share on other sites
hawkwrench Posted April 11, 2017 Author Share Posted April 11, 2017 Thanks a lot Ray for the info. Tell Sam I said thanks also. Tim Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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