Whiskey Posted December 13, 2018 Share Posted December 13, 2018 (edited) Lost another one. https://www.cbsnews.com/news/military-fighter-jet-crash-hawaii-ocean-pilot-rescued-parasailers/?ftag=CNM-00-10aag7e More info: http://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/25459/a-military-aircraft-has-gone-down-off-oahu-hawaii-reports Edited December 13, 2018 by Whiskey Quote Link to post Share on other sites
habu2 Posted December 13, 2018 Share Posted December 13, 2018 Was this an F-22 ? The article doesn’t say. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
GreyGhost Posted December 13, 2018 Share Posted December 13, 2018 Apparently a civilian contracted Hawker Hunter was what went down. Prayers for the pilot. -Gregg Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Whiskey Posted December 13, 2018 Author Share Posted December 13, 2018 This article didn't state what it was however follow up ones said it was a contracted Hawker Hunter as @GreyGhost pointed out. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
11bee Posted December 13, 2018 Share Posted December 13, 2018 3 hours ago, Whiskey said: This article didn't state what it was however follow up ones said it was a contracted Hawker Hunter as @GreyGhost pointed out. Pilot was hurt but is alive. Out of curiosity, what benefit do we get from using subsonic, 65 year old aircraft as adversaries? I know it’s a much more economical solution, vrs using front line jets but unless we are planning on invading Albania, how does a Hawker Hunter (or for that matter a SAAB Draken, A-4 or T-38) provide truly beneficial adversary training? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
GreyGhost Posted December 13, 2018 Share Posted December 13, 2018 They sometimes provide other roles besides red air DACM. -Gregg Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Slartibartfast Posted December 13, 2018 Share Posted December 13, 2018 Unless you're fighting gen-4 or 5 fighters, the old jets do pretty well in DCM from what I've read. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Whiskey Posted December 13, 2018 Author Share Posted December 13, 2018 1 hour ago, 11bee said: Pilot was hurt but is alive. Out of curiosity, what benefit do we get from using subsonic, 65 year old aircraft as adversaries? I know it’s a much more economical solution, vrs using front line jets but unless we are planning on invading Albania, how does a Hawker Hunter (or for that matter a SAAB Draken, A-4 or T-38) provide truly beneficial adversary training? From what I understood is that they being used to imitate adversary ECM aircraft. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
11bee Posted December 13, 2018 Share Posted December 13, 2018 17 minutes ago, Whiskey said: From what I understood is that they being used to imitate adversary ECM aircraft. Majes sense. Thanks Whiskey. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
GreyGhost Posted December 14, 2018 Share Posted December 14, 2018 (edited) The Navy use to have squadrons dedicated to that role. >>> VAQ-34 <<< -Gregg Edited December 14, 2018 by GreyGhost Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Whiskey Posted December 14, 2018 Author Share Posted December 14, 2018 I'm somewhat surprised that didn't leave a squadron of Prowlers to do the same. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
GreyGhost Posted December 14, 2018 Share Posted December 14, 2018 They had one for a brief time. >>> VAQ-35 <<< -Gregg Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Don Posted December 14, 2018 Share Posted December 14, 2018 Hope the pilot recovers fully and quickly. Aircraft can be replaced but someone's loved one cannot. . Don Quote Link to post Share on other sites
southwestforests Posted December 15, 2018 Share Posted December 15, 2018 Note last part of this from Popular Mechanics article, ". They’re also used to augment U.S. military jets flying in the aggressor role, provide close air support in exercises, and even simulate incoming cruise missiles." https://www.popularmechanics.com/military/aviation/a25574604/hawker-hunter-crash-hawaii/ Quote Link to post Share on other sites
11bee Posted December 15, 2018 Share Posted December 15, 2018 (edited) 14 hours ago, southwestforests said: even simulate incoming cruise missiles." That's all well and good if the USN is still trying to figure out how to defend against large, non-stealthy, non-agile, subsonic cruise missiles like the ones back in the 60's. How fast is a Hawker Hunter at sea level? Given that most our potential adversaries are using supersonic (some are even claimed to be hypersonic), agile anti-ship missiles, I just wonder how beneficial the training is using an aircraft like this as a cruise missile surrogate. Edited December 15, 2018 by 11bee Quote Link to post Share on other sites
GreyGhost Posted December 15, 2018 Share Posted December 15, 2018 48 minutes ago, 11bee said: That's all well and good if the USN is still trying to figure out how to defend against large, non-stealthy, non-agile, subsonic cruise missiles like the ones back in the 60's. How fast is a Hawker Hunter at sea level? Given that most our potential adversaries are using supersonic (some are even claimed to be hypersonic), agile anti-ship missiles, it makes me wonder if we are still trying to figure out how to win the last war, not the next one. Yeah, we have a whole lot of hypersonic aircraft laying around to simulate cruise missiles of that velocity. The Hunter was most likely being utilized in an EW role. -Gregg Quote Link to post Share on other sites
11bee Posted December 15, 2018 Share Posted December 15, 2018 23 minutes ago, GreyGhost said: Yeah, we have a whole lot of hypersonic aircraft laying around to simulate cruise missiles of that velocity. Thanks Gregg, I'm aware of that fact. Would hope the Navy has some supersonic missiles or RPV's available to provide their air-defense crews with at least a somewhat challenging training scenario. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Scooby Posted December 17, 2018 Share Posted December 17, 2018 On 12/13/2018 at 12:55 PM, 11bee said: Pilot was hurt but is alive. Out of curiosity, what benefit do we get from using subsonic, 65 year old aircraft as adversaries? I know it’s a much more economical solution, vrs using front line jets but unless we are planning on invading Albania, how does a Hawker Hunter (or for that matter a SAAB Draken, A-4 or T-38) provide truly beneficial adversary training? Cheaper, they can fly different profiles such as that of a cruise missile. It free’s up front line fighters to conduct their own DACT. I know the pilots in my Hornet squadron didn’t like flying cruise missile profiles, they preferred the more challenging training missions. A high school friend of mine and former squadron mate brought the Hunters to North America. As far as I know, he is no longer involved or part owner of the Hunters. He returned to the Middle East to train pilots there. I didn’t know this pilot, although I know many of the pilots flying Hunters, A-4s,and Alpha jets as adversaries and ECM jets as private contracts now. Hopefully the pilot will be OK, he underwent surgery today. Sounds like he had compression injuries from the ejection. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Scooby Posted December 17, 2018 Share Posted December 17, 2018 On 12/15/2018 at 8:15 AM, GreyGhost said: The Hunter was most likely being utilized in an EW role. -Gregg Correct Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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