Tecnikit Posted February 17 Share Posted February 17 (edited) We have been surprised to receive many messages requesting products in 1/48. So we have pushed the releases in this scale. At the moment we start with: Nozzle specifically designed for the F-104 A and B. https://www.tecnikit.com/catalog/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=66&products_id=287&language=en Nozzle covered for the Mirage III E/R and Mirage V: https://www.tecnikit.com/catalog/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=66&products_id=291&language=en Nozzle uncovered for the MIrage III E / R and Mirage V: https://www.tecnikit.com/catalog/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=66&products_id=292&language=en Jet engine ATAR 09c5 for Mirage III E / R and Mirage V: https://www.tecnikit.com/catalog/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=66&products_id=290&language=en Edited February 17 by Tecnikit Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Andrés S Posted February 17 Share Posted February 17 https://www.tecnikit.com/catalog/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=66&products_id=287&language=en 70 € ????? 🤐 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Tecnikit Posted February 17 Author Share Posted February 17 30 minutes ago, Andrés S said: https://www.tecnikit.com/catalog/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=66&products_id=287&language=en 70 € ????? 🤐 Yes, 70 euros. We will not get back into price debates. You have explanations on the home page. By the way, the nozzle you indicate, we were the first to market the AUTHENTIC nozzle of the F-104 A. We decided to make it when we saw on the websites how nozzles of the F-104G were sold as valid nozzles of the F-104A. Or generic nozzles were sold for all F-104s. Each customer decides what wants to buy. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Solo Posted February 17 Share Posted February 17 70 euro for one nozzle? Other manufacturers sold it for 15 euros, are you sure it is not one 0 added by mistake? 🙂 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Tecnikit Posted February 17 Author Share Posted February 17 (edited) 41 minutes ago, Solo said: 70 euro for one nozzle? Other manufacturers sold it for 15 euros, are you sure it is not one 0 added by mistake? 🙂 there are cars that cost 100,000 euros and others that cost 3,000. I do not say this with any intention to offend. It is just the best example I can think of to make you understand that not all products are the same, just as the tools with which they are manufactured are not the same, nor do we all have the same mentality. That's why I suggest you read the following page: https://www.tecnikit.com/catalog/index.php?main_page=conditions&language=en However, as we have just launched them, we are going to try a price reduction of 10 euros. It seems that you did not know us, so it seems that you do not know the debate that we already had some time ago in several forums. Basically: We use 3D laser printers. We are tired of looking for equivalent and much cheaper printers with other technologies that allow a cost reduction, but so far we still do not see results. There are manufacturers who indicate that this is already feasible but in view of their tests we are not convinced. The printers we use cost more than 100 euros per liter of resin. And the duration of a print lasts between 6 and 15 hours because there is a double pass of laser for the microlayer with the cost of supervision and electricity in all that time. Even so, in many occasions the pieces do not come out perfect due to all kinds of issues. So many copies are thrown away because they do not meet the level we require to be sent. We have tried manufacturing in China, but we are not confident that the level of quality remains constant in each and every order. Finally, our designs are our own. That is, we never copy other manufacturers. We do our own research and design, which takes months of work. We design to the best of our ability with the information and tools available on the market. And from there we calculate the price. We do not manufacture with a minimum price in mind. In some forum one person posted that our prices would be the equivalent of an STL. That is, the price of an original master design and that from there it could be reproduced at a very low cost. This kind of comments show the level of many people who speak without knowing what they are talking about. For the same object, there are designs that are given for free, and on the other hand others cost hundreds or thousands of euros depending on their quality. And it is the same with respect to manufacturing. There are very cheap printers and other very expensive ones. Javier Povedano Tecnikit Edited February 17 by Tecnikit Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Solo Posted February 17 Share Posted February 17 Even if so, please show the picture of real exhaust, to compare it to other "cheap" manufacturers. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Tecnikit Posted February 17 Author Share Posted February 17 7 minutes ago, Solo said: Even if so, please show the picture of real exhaust, to compare it to other "cheap" manufacturers. You’re right. Unfortunately we spend most of our time on design. There’s almost no time to do photo shoots with enough tranquility. New models have to be launched while pending orders are being fulfilled. For your guidance, the Mirage IIIE’s discovered nozzle is approximately the same size and displays photographs. Although it is not the same model, it will give you an idea of the caliber of the walls that are almost transparent by the fidelity with the scale, and the thinness of the handles of the petals to which we reach. Javier Povedano Tecnikit Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Tecnikit Posted February 17 Author Share Posted February 17 By the way, although we haven’t released them yet in 1/48, we did launch something that didn’t exist on the market as an option when buying. The nozzles with engine stopped. This implies that the petals have the characteristic drop by their own weight of the engines with use when there is no jet thrust making them pull. We’ve got that far. Although we don’t have that variant for the F-104. https://www.tecnikit.com/catalog/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=65&products_id=278 And in this particular case (F-16) are more expensive because they can also be chosen to adapt precisely to 2 different manufacturers and models of the F-16 at the time of purchase. It took a long time to adapt this piece to the size of the 2 models. Work done with a fantastic collaboration by the client who ordered them. Javier Povedano Tecnikit Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Andrés S Posted February 17 Share Posted February 17 3 hours ago, Tecnikit said: Yes, 70 euros. We will not get back into price debates. You have explanations on the home page. By the way, the nozzle you indicate, we were the first to market the AUTHENTIC nozzle of the F-104 A. We decided to make it when we saw on the websites how nozzles of the F-104G were sold as valid nozzles of the F-104A. Or generic nozzles were sold for all F-104s. Each customer decides what wants to buy. I don't care at all how "faithful" and "accurate" it is or who was "first." That price is a total and absolute outrage and I have the right to give my opinion. Of course customers choose... A few of us are still in the part of the world where we can choose to buy or not buy. And we can also give our opinion, can't we? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Solo Posted February 17 Share Posted February 17 Ridiculous price and explanation, but of course you have right to have such price. Good luck. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Tecnikit Posted February 17 Author Share Posted February 17 (edited) 38 minutes ago, Andrés S said: I don't care at all how "faithful" and "accurate" it is or who was "first." That price is a total and absolute outrage and I have the right to give my opinion. Of course customers choose... A few of us are still in the part of the world where we can choose to buy or not buy. And we can also give our opinion, can't we? Did I say you can’t choose? What did I tell you before? I said "Each customer decides what wants to buy. " About "I don't care at all how "faithful" and "accurate" Well, in that I disagree. For me the faithfull and quality are imperatives. I would not spend money on something knowing it is obviously wrong, nor would I spend money on a detailed light. But that’s only my opinion. Spend less on a bad or mid well done reproduction or with 3D printing aberrations.... depends. But spend a single cent on putting a detailed that is not the correct... well... then what did you buy it for? The F-16 nozzle was a customer order, annoyed that generic nozzles for F-16 were sold. For the seller was the same the PW 220 or PW 229. For my customers not. As you see, we don’t all think alike. About the price or ridiculous explanation, I understand that it has been a waste of time to try to just give you a point of view that you do not understand. I think you should explain that to a company that made a detailed of an battleship and sold it for 350 euros. And they ran out of stock. But well, I return to a design that has cost 6 months, and according to some should sell for 50 euros. 😄 Javier Povedano Tecnikit.com Edited February 17 by Tecnikit Quote Link to post Share on other sites
strikeeagle801 Posted February 17 Share Posted February 17 I checked out your website, and some of your stuff looks amazing. I have two questions. One, are you going to produce a 1/32 -220 motor for the F-15, as it does differ a bit from the -229 you have listed? And second, when the price for the F-15 nozzle says €99.00, is that for a set, or for each nozzle, meaning you have to buy two for the F-15? If that is the case, I am sorry. I understand what you are saying about quality, and I believe that for the most part, people (including me) will pay for it, but spending 200 dollars for a set of exhaust nozzles when the entire kit can be bought for around 100 is insane. For that price, they better make me breakfast when they get here. Aaron Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Tecnikit Posted February 18 Author Share Posted February 18 😀 I already said that I didn’t want to get into debates, but well... you want enter. Aaron: 1- The complete PW 229 is at 40% to finish the entire engine. I had to stop it because specific orders came in from other engines. But it’s on the list. The PW 220 wouldn’t make a big difference. But as it is all a matter of preference. That is, if a customer is willing to make a firm order for something we do not yet have, he has an extraordinary discount as project confirmed for sale. https://www.tecnikit.com/catalog/index.php?main_page=page&id=30&language=en 2- For the twin engines a 50% discount is applied for the second engine. You can see it on the page: https://www.tecnikit.com/catalog/index.php?main_page=page&id=32&language=en 3- About the price. As example I did not find any plans on the internet or books that were correct with respect angle and size of PW-229 for F-16. The customer who ordered it was extraordinarily demanding. Which we appreciate because he collaborated in an exceptional way to push so that the design is practically perfect. He provided sensational, highly detailed photographs of an Israeli F-15 and several F-16s. In the first prototype ( photos in the web site ) was detected that when closing the petals, the internal mechanisms did not fit well in the open and closed positions. Which revealed a problem of inner pieces dimensions. And there was something rare as a drop in the angle of the nozzle with respect to the fuselage line. Until we finally detected that it was the effect of the fallen petals with the engine off, which altered the line of the nozzle with respect to the axis of the plane. Once detected, the entire noozles were redone by applying the correct dimensions following the twist of the inner pieces corrected and with the option with engine on / off. Now you know the work in the background and I don't explain you the steps between 4 prototypes 4- About comparing the price of a complete modelkit with these detailed parts in 3D has nothing to do. A complete model kit has a very strong investment in molds, but then it is recovered every time is filled with injected plastic. Models can have sales of thousands worldwide. The detailsets not. No, if you sell the CORRECT nozzle for the F-104 A, only for modelers who have bought the model A, and only for who decide to add the nozzle to it. Another thing are sellers that sell a false generic piece. In that case you are changing your credibility in exchange for units. The hours reviewing photographs and time design is real work time. And our intention is not to sell units. It is to sell the best that we can do, it no matter what the cost ( for us ) and this price must be passed on to the customer. This type of work is highly appreciated by many modelers and experts. At this moment as example, we are dealing with a modeler who does work for museums. Illu: 1- At the case of nozle for F-104A, I don’t know if you require the model makers to provide you their sources. I search and much times pay my own fonts and is usually the bulk of the work. Thing I’m not going to give away. And... the kind of people I usually work with are people who don’t need to lie. If you knew anything about the J79 GE3, you would know that the differences are obvious when you have done your homework. 2- About our sales. I assume you’ve seen our J-58 engine design for the SR-71. Do you think we made that model without a complete SR-71 model kit today in 1/32 as support for push sell units... thinking of selling much units ? We know it’s going to have little sales. But it was an order, we saw as a challenge and we did it. Tecnikit does not seek to sell many units. It seeks to offer the best that can be found. Regarding not being defensive about "potential customers" and the shock for them, just for curiosity... what would be the correct price for these "potential customers"? 50, 40, 30, 20.... 10, 5 ? From my point of view in your messages has been criticized the price without understanding the exhaustive work behind it, and you also question that the model is not correct or that my conclusions of a work of months are bad. Can you be more derogatory to the work of others? I am being exceptionally well-mannered and quiet, with respect to what I should be answering. As I said 1 year ago in another forum, it seemed a shame that Zactomodels had to defend his prices with similar criticism when he was a master at these jobs. It was almost embarrassing for me to see him trying to explain the problem of the price of polyurethane resin, tests and the molds that were damaged when he made extraordinary handmade works that all the modelers have distinguished for their quality... except a few who criticized its price... I bought him pieces worth more than 100 euros and the complete modelkit cost 60. And his job seemed cheap to me. Cheap for much of us. Tecnikit always receive excellent feedback from customers who usually buy parts worth between 200 and 500 euros. We have to apologize for doing a good job ? As another modeler said in another forum on this subject, I do not understand why this aggressiveness about everyone has to be able to buy everything. When we were children and we entered in a modelkits shop we were very aware that there were models that we could not buy and nothing happened. Javier Povedano Tecnikit Quote Link to post Share on other sites
swimmer25k Posted February 18 Share Posted February 18 (edited) This thing was about 60€. All of the pipes and tubing are included in the kit. The engine itself is only five parts. There is nothing to add. Your business plan is flawed. Edited February 18 by swimmer25k Quote Link to post Share on other sites
strikeeagle801 Posted February 18 Share Posted February 18 (edited) 1 hour ago, Tecnikit said: 😀 I already said that I didn’t want to get into debates, but well... you want enter. Aaron: 1- The complete PW 229 is at 40% to finish the entire engine. I had to stop it because specific orders came in from other engines. But it’s on the list. The PW 220 wouldn’t make a big difference. But as it is all a matter of preference. That is, if a customer is willing to make a firm order for something we do not yet have, he has an extraordinary discount as project confirmed for sale. https://www.tecnikit.com/catalog/index.php?main_page=page&id=30&language=en 2- For the twin engines a 50% discount is applied for the second engine. You can see it on the page: https://www.tecnikit.com/catalog/index.php?main_page=page&id=32&language=en 3- About the price. As example I did not find any plans on the internet or books that were correct with respect angle and size of PW-229 for F-16. The customer who ordered it was extraordinarily demanding. Which we appreciate because he collaborated in an exceptional way to push so that the design is practically perfect. He provided sensational, highly detailed photographs of an Israeli F-15 and several F-16s. In the first prototype ( photos in the web site ) was detected that when closing the petals, the internal mechanisms did not fit well in the open and closed positions. Which revealed a problem of inner pieces dimensions. And there was something rare as a drop in the angle of the nozzle with respect to the fuselage line. Until we finally detected that it was the effect of the fallen petals with the engine off, which altered the line of the nozzle with respect to the axis of the plane. Once detected, the entire noozles were redone by applying the correct dimensions following the twist of the inner pieces corrected and with the option with engine on / off. Now you know the work in the background and I don't explain you the steps between 4 prototypes 4- About comparing the price of a complete modelkit with these detailed parts in 3D has nothing to do. A complete model kit has a very strong investment in molds, but then it is recovered every time is filled with injected plastic. Models can have sales of thousands worldwide. The detailsets not. No, if you sell the CORRECT nozzle for the F-104 A, only for modelers who have bought the model A, and only for who decide to add the nozzle to it. Another thing are sellers that sell a false generic piece. In that case you are changing your credibility in exchange for units. The hours reviewing photographs and time design is real work time. And our intention is not to sell units. It is to sell the best that we can do, it no matter what the cost ( for us ) and this price must be passed on to the customer. This type of work is highly appreciated by many modelers and experts. At this moment as example, we are dealing with a modeler who does work for museums. Illu: 1- At the case of nozle for F-104A, I don’t know if you require the model makers to provide you their sources. I search and much times pay my own fonts and is usually the bulk of the work. Thing I’m not going to give away. And... the kind of people I usually work with are people who don’t need to lie. If you knew anything about the J79 GE3, you would know that the differences are obvious when you have done your homework. 2- About our sales. I assume you’ve seen our J-58 engine design for the SR-71. Do you think we made that model without a complete SR-71 model kit today in 1/32 as support for push sell units... thinking of selling much units ? We know it’s going to have little sales. But it was an order, we saw as a challenge and we did it. Tecnikit does not seek to sell many units. It seeks to offer the best that can be found. Regarding not being defensive about "potential customers" and the shock for them, just for curiosity... what would be the correct price for these "potential customers"? 50, 40, 30, 20.... 10, 5 ? From my point of view in your messages has been criticized the price without understanding the exhaustive work behind it, and you also question that the model is not correct or that my conclusions of a work of months are bad. Can you be more derogatory to the work of others? I am being exceptionally well-mannered and quiet, with respect to what I should be answering. As I said 1 year ago in another forum, it seemed a shame that Zactomodels had to defend his prices with similar criticism when he was a master at these jobs. It was almost embarrassing for me to see him trying to explain the problem of the price of polyurethane resin, tests and the molds that were damaged when he made extraordinary handmade works that all the modelers have distinguished for their quality... except a few who criticized its price... I bought him pieces worth more than 100 euros and the complete modelkit cost 60. And his job seemed cheap to me. Cheap for You go on and on about accuracy, yet I'm calling BS on that. If you were concerned about accuracy, you would know that, although subtle, there ARE distinct differences between the nozzles on the F100-PW-220 and the F100-PW-229 used on F-15's, such as the fact that when they shut down, the -229's remain almost fully open, whereas the -220's shut down at about 75-80% open. There's differences in fasteners and control arms too. The only aftermarket company that has EVER got this right, in any scale, is Sierra Hotel Models, run by a man who doesn't rely on third-party reference photos. He's actually lived, worked and breathed around the aircraft. You say you are 40% complete on the full engine, but keep getting distracted by other projects. If you keep doing that, you'll never complete anything. That's no way to run a business, is it? You think you have a point on model kits vs. Accessories. Maybe. But I don't think so. When I buy a kit, I consider what aftermarket will need to be purchased for me to complete the model to my satisfaction. I am not going to pay 150% of the price of the entire kit to improve one area. Not gonna happen. No matter how much I love the Eagle. And you'll find that I am not in the minority here. If you drive away your customers with your high prices (and the attitude you've shown here) what do you have left? Again, not a way to run a business. Not having actual photos of your stuff is ridiculous and just plain stupid. Customers want to see what they are getting for their money (especially at the prices you are demanding) anyone can show a digital image and claim it is what you are getting, and then send something that looks completely different. Providing your customers with accurate information, such as real photos, is simply Business 101. I'm not spending a penny with you until I actually see what I'm getting, and I guaran-damn-tee you I won't be the only one on this either. Yet another strike against you and your business. Seitra Hotel's 32nd -229 nozzles sell for 56 dollars per pair. They are excellent, and they are completely accurate. He has real photos of the product on his website. You say your printers can do amazing things, well I say that you there isn't going to be enough of a difference between SH's and yours to justify the extreme extra cost between them, especially now that your research is, in fact, faulty. Good luck. You're gonna need it. Aaron Edited February 18 by strikeeagle801 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Tecnikit Posted February 18 Author Share Posted February 18 (edited) I know that engine and that company. And they do a very good job. Now, their prices don't match up for me if they are using laser SLA and have to pay taxes like me. I have even investigated if there are new cheap laser printers in Russia but not. If I didn't use lasers I could cut prices in half, but I'm not going to do that at all if the quality suffers. About the engine I have the Saturn Al31F ( not that but they have too ) that was my first design. Is “adjusted” to fit the Trumpeter Su-27 model and has the starter on the air intake tube that connects it to the nacelle. Plus it shows the internal piston thrust mechanisms over the nozzle petals. With various options. Which was an extraordinary job. And use scratch cables is not a defect. Is a plus. But... whatever. It's all about how to knock down what I can't buy or what I don't like, isn't it? Regarding the differences between the PW-220 and the 229, there are many. That was explained to me up front by the customer who ordered the job because there was nothing correct in aftermarket at the time. I used the technical manuals that the maintenance people in the mechanics section use, and that's the basis I've used to make my designs. But even is needed to contrast with photographs. It is possible that I am wrong, that the technical manuals are wrong and that you can instruct the mechanics. There is one thing you are absolutely right about. That FOR YOU, it makes no sense to spend that money on this and that. Because that is the key. Those of us who are quite old know what it is to do scratch detailing. Either because there was no aftermarket before, or because the detailing was not good enough. And if I count the hours it would take me to do a SO GOOD scratch HOW I WANT IT and compare it with the prices, I even come out ahead. About the photos I already said that you are right. I have to update them. Now then... I already said that the 229 shows photographs of the first prototype of the 229 and the quality is perfectly visible. Anyone who is not a dirty-minded person will understand that the following prototypes are much better. At this moment the body of one of the F-16 modelkits is on its way from the client's country, since we have to polish a difference of around 1mm in the lower corners of the afterburner fairing fitting with the fuselage. Since I suppose you know (or maybe not) that the F-16 has a section between square and oval, very different between the Tamiya CJ and the Academy I SUFA. That part has no rivets and it's easy to fix it with a little sanding. But we're going to change it. This is where we have reached in the level of detail for 9 optional variants of the 229 between which the client can decide, multiplied by the adaptation to 2 different F-16 models, and I think 4 variants of the F-15. That's if I remember correctly, 22 variants with or without composite panels, without some of them, open or closed, or with the engine on or off. But well, if I understand that since you think it's wrong, everyone must think it's wrong. It's irony, of course. Next. Again with the F104A nozzle. No. If you want to find it, look for it like I did. And I'll tell you in advance that it's quite complicated. But it's there. And it's in a museum. "What are you expecting me to pay a HUGE premium for?" No. Although my concerns are not selling to specific people. YOU in this case... It's selling to those who want "something more." And obviously I don't think that's your case and I'm sorry for not having you as clients. But if the question is how much and not what for, we're not on the same market. See guys, I'm 60 years old and I've been making kits and scratch since I was 12. Although I had to leave to work on my own software company that lasted for more than 30 years. With very loyal clients who stayed by my side for more than 20 years because I insisted on doing the job much better than the others. And I learned 3 things: 1. Never sell below cost. 2. The clients who tell you to sell cheap "because they want to help you to sell more", are the worst clients. Because no matter how much you lower your prices, it's never enough for them. And whether you do it or not, they always spoke badly of you. 3. When someone shows an obsessive attitude towards you, don't hesitate. Are competitors or competitor's friends. Because normal people if see something they don't like, just leave and that's it. Have a good day !!! I leave from this "conversation". Edited February 18 by Tecnikit Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Andrés S Posted February 18 Share Posted February 18 51 minutes ago, Tecnikit said: I leave from this "conversation". Taluego Lucas... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
swimmer25k Posted February 18 Share Posted February 18 1 hour ago, Tecnikit said: Have a good day !!! I leave from this "conversation". Yawn Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MoFo Posted February 18 Share Posted February 18 Can I save everybody a whole lot of time an effort? 1 hour ago, Tecnikit said: Now, their prices don't match up for me if they are using laser SLA and have to pay taxes like me. I have even investigated if there are new cheap laser printers in Russia but not. If I didn't use lasers I could cut prices in half, but I'm not going to do that at all if the quality suffers. TL;DR: His prices are high because he uses a resin printing technology that is much more expensive that most other producers. That's it. ----- As for my $0.02, having been in the industry for 15 years... IMO, that kind of printer is kind of a waste for making plastic model accessories in a production environment. They cost 10x more than 'typical' resin printers, and resin, parts and consumables are similarly about 10x the price, they're slower to operate, and while they promise smoother details, at this point, there's really no appreciable difference in quality. It's a bit like running a delivery company using a Ferrari vs. a Ford; the Ferrari is a 'better' car, but it costs a lot more to buy, maintain and repair, and it's not even going to get there any faster when you're driving through city traffic. All you're really doing is spending a lot more money to achieve the same result. I agree that the time, effort and skill needed to master high-quality parts is undervalued by most modellers. There IS a market segment that is happy to pay a premium for a product specifically because it costs more, and that gives them a sense of quality/exclusivity/whatever. I seriously doubt there are many people who build models with those views, but it's not an unprecedented business tactic. Looking to Russia of all places for a new printer is just... weird. The global center of 3D printing is Shenzhen. It's where most of the consumer printer brands are based. It's where basically all of the components used in 3D printers are manufactured. There are a few other hotspots around the world but Russia... really isn't one of them. It's a bit like saying "I have even looked to see if someone can tool my model kit in Paraguay". (or to stick with the delivery company metaphor, "I've even looked to see if they make delivery vans in Switzerland") Like, okay, but... why? I'm honestly not sure what to make of that statement. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Tecnikit Posted February 18 Author Share Posted February 18 (edited) Since you continue with the tacataca, there are a number of things I'm not going to let go. First of all I don't post a message received on my site coming from Illu where insults are the general line. I don't post it to save you the embarrassment. And by the way, don't speak on behalf of others. I do appreciate the only 'one nice thing' you said in your message. That I have talent. That sweet thing is much appreciated. But keep in mind that talent is developed with a lot of effort. And that costs money. Secondly and in reference to the 3D printers, with which I have been working for 7 years now, I have also looked into the possibility of having them manufactured in other countries. Including China by a German company. But in view of the opinions concerning the finish of the products received by customers over time, I preferred not to risk. In fact, the head office in Germany had just demanded that the parts reach them before the final customers in order to check the finish. But there were still problems. At the moment I prefer as now. In a future we will see. Thirdly, anyone who knows anything about 3D printers knows that the SLA system is much better than any other (although this hurts a lot of people). There are those who try to put other technologies at the same level ( the cost of our SLA of is between 4,000 and 6,000 euros, while those of these technologies such as DLP and its successors, can be found for 300 euros. ) LED printers have the problem of square pixelation, and as can be seen in the image below, a serious scaling problem in the jump between layers. https://www.3dnatives.com/es/wp-content/uploads/sites/4/formlabs-.jpg To solve this, the manufacturers decided to apply a "blurring" effect to hide these steps. But in the process, a blurring also occurs for the details. I work with Formlabs. The best printers in the world, only under the industrial printers. It is very likely that if they put a tooth or a denture on you, it will be printed with a Formlabs printer. But hey, if the price seems expensive to you, you can always ask to dthe dentist to print it for you with a 300 euro printer or in China. 😃 Edited February 18 by Tecnikit Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Andrés S Posted February 18 Share Posted February 18 This is not a forum for dental technicians but for modelers....😂😂😂 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Tecnikit Posted February 18 Author Share Posted February 18 2 minutes ago, Andrés S said: This is not a forum for dental technicians but for modelers....😂😂😂 Good point 😂😂😂 I'm definitely leaving the thread now. I have to work tonight. Andres, thanks for closing with a joke. 👍 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Darren Roberts Posted February 19 Share Posted February 19 Kursad, that just about sums it up perfectly. Good old AI. I would recommend to those who have been commenting negatively that it's counter-productive. He has a business model that he believes will work. If the quality of the product is as described, great. He didn't ask for feedback on the business model. If it's too rich for you, then simply say, "Great looking product. Unfortunately I can't afford it." There's no need to criticize him. It's off-putting, and we're better than that on ARC. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Tank Posted February 19 Share Posted February 19 7 hours ago, Darren Roberts said: If it's too rich for you, then simply say, "Great looking product. Unfortunately I can't afford it." I agree with your overall post and statement. I do think for the most part, it’s not I can’t afford it, it’s more I choose not invest that amount of money for that item into this project. At the end of the day, each modeler has to decide what they want for their project and what they want to spend to achieve it. It’s going to look different for everyone. Some projects require uber kits and uber aftermarket parts, others do not require either or mix and match. There is nothing right or wrong about what a modeler chooses for their project as it is theirs and nobody else’s. Folks arguing about what a manufacturer sets as the price is pointless. They have selected it based on their costs. The market will let them know if it is correct by if the product sells. Manufacturers arguing back about modelers comments on cost is pointless as that is the modelers opinion to which they are allowed to have and it never looks good. Discussions on accuracy is different for both parties. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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