HanJo Posted November 29, 2005 Share Posted November 29, 2005 Just wondering, maybe somebody has seen the contents of the box. Is it worth spending hard-earned money on? thanks, Han. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
kotey Posted November 29, 2005 Share Posted November 29, 2005 (edited) It is rebox of Kondor model, see revew this model in another rebex version , russian EE firm here :P Edited November 29, 2005 by kotey Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Laurent Posted November 29, 2005 Share Posted November 29, 2005 (edited) Er, Kotey ? I'm not sure that Han speaks Russian... The Kondor/Eastern Express/ICM MiG-21 bis is probably the most accurate 1/72 model of this version. This kit is a modified copy of the KP kit (which appeared to be pretty accurate the first place). The panel lines are recessed and so fine that one could say they're almost scale. And now, the bad news: The detail level is very poor. Cockpit, wheel wells, langing gear. Poor. These can be replaced by resin aftermarket made by Pavla... which didn't do anything about the non-existent exhaust nozzle. If you're not a die-hard rivet counting MiG-21 fan and that you just want to build a nice easy build, build the Fujimi kit. If you're the kind of guy who doesn't throw up when he sees a KP kit (like me), you might like it. Laurent Edited November 29, 2005 by Laurent Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Andrew D. the Jolly Rogers guy Posted November 30, 2005 Share Posted November 30, 2005 You're in major luck. I have the Kondor kit and recently took some sprue shots as I've thought about doing a kit preview on it. Here is what you get in the box: Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Andrew D. the Jolly Rogers guy Posted November 30, 2005 Share Posted November 30, 2005 (edited) It's a very cleaned up version of the KP kit. Here you see the canopy is actually surprisingly thin and clear...although the "clear" bit doesn't really come across in the photo...sorry.... Edited November 30, 2005 by Andrew D. the Jolly Rogers guy Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Andrew D. the Jolly Rogers guy Posted November 30, 2005 Share Posted November 30, 2005 Bad news is the surface detail, although beautifully scribed, is so petite as it will probably disappear completely just by looking at it. You might be able to barely make it out....Good news is it probably means it's actually in scale!!! <_< Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Andrew D. the Jolly Rogers guy Posted November 30, 2005 Share Posted November 30, 2005 One more shot of two of the sprues, without the fuselage halves. Definitely a very, very cleaned-up KP. Not bad at all, really. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
yardbird78 Posted November 30, 2005 Share Posted November 30, 2005 One more shot of two of the sprues, without the fuselage halves. Definitely a very, very cleaned-up KP. Not bad at all, really. What do you mean by, "cleaned up?" Did they just get rid of the flash around the edges of the parts or what? Thanks, Darwin Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Andre Posted November 30, 2005 Share Posted November 30, 2005 (edited) What do you mean by, "cleaned up?" Since the KP kit has raised panel details, my guess is that this means 'rescribed'. Cheers, Andre Edited November 30, 2005 by Andre Quote Link to post Share on other sites
HanJo Posted November 30, 2005 Author Share Posted November 30, 2005 Er, Kotey ? I'm not sure that Han speaks Russian... :blink: Laurent Ah, as it happens I'm taking a Russian language course at the moment. Not, shall we say, the easiest language on the planet, indeed. :P The grammar has probably been designed to keep foreigners away. And hey, thanks Andrew D. the Jolly Rogers guy! Nice pics and good news I guess. Any thoughts on the panelling? Are you going to completely rescribe the surface detail, or just deepen the existing panels? In other words: is it going to be a tough job the way things look? Thanks, Han. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Flankerman Posted November 30, 2005 Share Posted November 30, 2005 Ah, as it happens I'm taking a Russian language course at the moment. Not, shall we say, the easiest language on the planet, indeed. :blink: The grammar has probably been designed to keep foreigners away. Thanks, Han. How do we foreigners stand a chance with Russian ?? Why is one kopek masculine - and one rouble feminine ?? What's that all about then ?? :P Why is 'Samolet' pronounced 'Samolyot' ??? (I know it has two dots over the E - but they don't include them when they print the word - you are just expected to know !!! And - why, when you ask 'Skolka' (how much?) - do they not answer in Russian ?? The answer they give sounds nothing like what I was taught when I tried to learn.... :blink: I LOVE the place though.............. :o Ken Quote Link to post Share on other sites
kotey Posted November 30, 2005 Share Posted November 30, 2005 When i'm was young (BTW i'm now not so old, but today i talking with aplicants to job in my firm, and one girl was born in 1988 - in this year i'm graduated school and going in college, i feel - i'm geting older) and going in standard Soviet school with other childs - i learned English starting age 10 years (i dont know why - maybe as language "possible enemy" - its is not my terms, it is official USSR terminus) - so maybe comunists learning standards was not so bad. About difficult learn Russian - what i can say, its my native and it is easy to me. BTW, Ken, in letter "Đ (Ń)" is accessible in any program. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
PBoilermaker Posted November 30, 2005 Share Posted November 30, 2005 (i dont know why - maybe as language "possible enemy" - its is not my terms, it is official USSR terminus) - so maybe comunists learning standards was not so bad. I wish we had the option to learn something as 'exotic' as Russian in American schools when I was younger. Latin, Spanish, German and French were pretty much it. Then again, the most common language of worldwide commerce is English, so perhaps the Soviet reasoning was also to make the citizens more internationally viable (along with the whole "know thy enemy" stance)? Anyway, that KP kit looks nice. I wish a definitive model of the -21 would be released in a larger scale, though. -Mike Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Backfire Posted November 30, 2005 Share Posted November 30, 2005 How do we foreigners stand a chance with Russian ?? Practice, practice, practice - or do could do as I did and marry a Ukrainian girl who speaks fluent Russian, Ukrainian, and English... :blink: Actually, I learned the basics of Ukrainian when I was young (my parents speak it fluently), so picking up Russian (I'm by no means fluent) was not so difficult. I spent the summer of 2001 in Ukraine (where the Russian language is used foremost) and at that point my Russian skills were better, however they have regressed somewhat since. It's amazing however, how fast our two year old daughter is learning both English and Russian... - so maybe comunists learning standards was not so bad. Actually, kotey I think the standards during communist times, and now, is probably higher than in the western world. Friends of ours who emigrated to Canada from Russia, found that their teenage daughter was far ahead of the other children in the pace of her learning when she transferred to the school here. Keith Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Laurent Posted November 30, 2005 Share Posted November 30, 2005 Actually, kotey I think the standards during communist times, and now, is probably higher than in the western world. Friends of ours who emigrated to Canada from Russia, found that their teenage daughter was far ahead of the other children in the pace of her learning when she transferred to the school here. I've heard someone who was in a lycée (the equivalent of high school in France) with a person who came from Bulgaria. This person was ahead of the others in maths. But then, foreign languages, sciences aren't politically sensitive subjects. Economy, litterature, history are more of a problem, I suppose. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
HanJo Posted December 2, 2005 Author Share Posted December 2, 2005 How do we foreigners stand a chance with Russian ??And - why, when you ask 'Skolka' (how much?) - do they not answer in Russian ?? The answer they give sounds nothing like what I was taught when I tried to learn.... ;) I LOVE the place though.............. Ken Privet I'm laughing my head off <_< I don't understand anything whatsoever Russians say in reply. I just stand there, baffled. :huh: But, I love the place and the people too. And great planes of course. Poka, Han. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Flankerman Posted December 2, 2005 Share Posted December 2, 2005 From Kotey:- About difficult learn Russian - what i can say, its my native and it is easy to me. My friend who has also visited Russia with me for the last ten years laughs at my attempts to speak the language. He reckons it can't be all that difficult - because the local 6-year old children can do it !!! From Backfire:- Practice, practice, practice - or do could do as I did and marry a Ukrainian girl who speaks fluent Russian, Ukrainian, and English They say that the best place to learn a foreign language is 'on the pillow!!' Kyen Quote Link to post Share on other sites
joachim Posted December 2, 2005 Share Posted December 2, 2005 [ They say that the best place to learn a foreign language is 'on the pillow!!' No, that's not about foreign language. That's about the international language of LOVE Quote Link to post Share on other sites
flanker Posted December 3, 2005 Share Posted December 3, 2005 All Slavic languages(Russian ,Serbian....) are diffcult ,especially grammar ... When i was in school we learned English,Italian and Latin. My school used -new program- so we didnt have russian Other schools in my contry had english and russian (and still have) - I think the standards during communist times, and now, is probably higher than in the western world.- i agre So i think i found good way to learn russian-i will try to meet this girl :wacko: Quote Link to post Share on other sites
flanker Posted December 3, 2005 Share Posted December 3, 2005 And if Kotey want to learn Serbian i think that Natasha Bekvalac would be excelent teacher(serbian pop-star:) (Kotey i will not say this to your wife:))) Quote Link to post Share on other sites
joachim Posted December 3, 2005 Share Posted December 3, 2005 And if Kotey doesn't want to learn Serbian, then i want to learn :D) Quote Link to post Share on other sites
kotey Posted December 3, 2005 Share Posted December 3, 2005 Nice reason to learn Serbian, but i like my wife. BTW model agency, when my company "rented" this girls called "Red Stars". Quote Link to post Share on other sites
joachim Posted December 3, 2005 Share Posted December 3, 2005 ooh, did they have there period? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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