ya-gabor Posted April 23, 2023 Share Posted April 23, 2023 I dont think there was a thread about this kit here till now. Had a look back to early autumn 2022 and could not find any news about it. What can be known about it? It is a quarter scale kit. No! It is not a re-pack of Trump or the once was Hobby Craft or what ever kit from the past. It is a completely new tool production of the MiG-17F version with the afterburner engine and big flaps. Look surprisingly nice! 2023 standard! Well certainly not the Airfix crap designed by that Tom boy. It has right things in right places! I did a complete “walk around” of the sprues so more on it later. Best regards Gabor Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bsin Posted April 23, 2023 Share Posted April 23, 2023 I'm looking forward to your review of this kit, Mr.Gabor. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ya-gabor Posted April 23, 2023 Author Share Posted April 23, 2023 Here are few closer views of the brand new AMMO MiG-17F sprues from the Moson Show. No real review of the kit as parts are on sprues. As usual what I can do is just to show what was visible this time. Of course we did not see the reverse side of the sprues so no images of the interior parts, like for the speed brakes, the flaps or undercarriage doors. But it was visible on the surface that a lot of details are on the other side also. The surface has some very fine recessed panel lines, it has all the fasteners for the service panels, some positive screw heads where needed. The rivets lovers will be disappointed, the surface is smooth as it can be. But a nice “canvas” is there for them to take out all those riveters. Of course here no rivet decals would work as on the original aircraft the rivets are flash rivets so they would be visible only on unpainted aircraft. On all camouflage machines nothing was visible of the rivets, only the screw heads for the service panels (which are present on the kit). More soon. Best regards Gabor Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bsin Posted April 23, 2023 Share Posted April 23, 2023 (edited) Thanks Mr.Gabor! She looks good! Hopefully this will be the start of a new series of Russian and other aircraft of this error that need to be done right! Maybe they'll do a MiG-19 next! I'm glad I never bought the Hobbyboss and Trumpeter offerings. Brad Edited April 24, 2023 by Bsin Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Solo Posted April 23, 2023 Share Posted April 23, 2023 No rivets? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bsin Posted April 23, 2023 Share Posted April 23, 2023 36 minutes ago, Solo said: No rivets? Ha! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ya-gabor Posted April 24, 2023 Author Share Posted April 24, 2023 8 hours ago, Solo said: No rivets? It was anticipated that this question will be asked. This is why I did say in the above post: The surface has some very fine recessed panel lines, it has all the fasteners for the service panels, some positive screw heads where needed. The rivets lovers will be disappointed, the surface is smooth as it can be. But a nice “canvas” is there for them to take out all those riveters. Of course here no rivet decals would work as on the original aircraft the rivets are flash rivets so they would be visible only on unpainted aircraft. On all camouflage machines nothing was visible of the rivets, only the screw heads for the service panels (which are present on the kit). A difference should be made between a helicopter which has a lot of mushroom sized rivets on its surface and for a realistic scale model it should be reproduced on the kit surface. This is either made by the manufacture or some modellers use Rivet decals to make them. Now a high speed fighter jet is a very different story! It has smooth surface with rivets which are completely level with the surface. They are visible ONLY on a natural metal surface when there is no paint applied on it. When the aircraft is painted in camouflage the rivets are NOT visible. "Purely clean natural metal" fighters were in most cases ONLY (if at all) in the very first years of use. But in most cases even the "Natural Metal" fighters were PAINTED with Aluminium colour PAINT for corrosion protection! This paint was a clear dope which had 6-10% Aluminium powder mixed into it, making it a paint which covered the surface. So no rivets were visible. Should there be rivets on a high speed / supersonic fighter kit? Classic example of this dilema is the Modelsvit Mirage III kit. First they have released the 72nd scale kit with rivets. There were many attacks from modellers and Modelsvit decided to remake and re-release the kit but this time without rivets. Early Mirage III's were in natural metal so the rivets were visible but in most of their carrier they had camouflage and no rivets were visible. There is no way to please everyone!!!!!!!!!! Best regards Gabor Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bsin Posted April 24, 2023 Share Posted April 24, 2023 5 hours ago, ya-gabor said: It was anticipated that this question will be asked. This is why I did say in the above post: The surface has some very fine recessed panel lines, it has all the fasteners for the service panels, some positive screw heads where needed. The rivets lovers will be disappointed, the surface is smooth as it can be. But a nice “canvas” is there for them to take out all those riveters. Of course here no rivet decals would work as on the original aircraft the rivets are flash rivets so they would be visible only on unpainted aircraft. On all camouflage machines nothing was visible of the rivets, only the screw heads for the service panels (which are present on the kit). A difference should be made between a helicopter which has a lot of mushroom sized rivets on its surface and for a realistic scale model it should be reproduced on the kit surface. This is either made by the manufacture or some modellers use Rivet decals to make them. Now a high speed fighter jet is a very different story! It has smooth surface with rivets which are completely level with the surface. They are visible ONLY on a natural metal surface when there is no paint applied on it. When the aircraft is painted in camouflage the rivets are NOT visible. "Purely clean natural metal" fighters were in most cases ONLY (if at all) in the very first years of use. But in most cases even the "Natural Metal" fighters were PAINTED with Aluminium colour PAINT for corrosion protection! This paint was a clear dope which had 6-10% Aluminium powder mixed into it, making it a paint which covered the surface. So no rivets were visible. Should there be rivets on a high speed / supersonic fighter kit? Classic example of this dilema is the Modelsvit Mirage III kit. First they have released the 72nd scale kit with rivets. There were many attacks from modellers and Modelsvit decided to remake and re-release the kit but this time without rivets. Early Mirage III's were in natural metal so the rivets were visible but in most of their carrier they had camouflage and no rivets were visible. There is no way to please everyone!!!!!!!!!! Best regards Gabor WORD! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
boom175 Posted April 24, 2023 Share Posted April 24, 2023 Any release date posted? Thanks for the pics! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ya-gabor Posted April 24, 2023 Author Share Posted April 24, 2023 25 minutes ago, boom175 said: Any release date posted? Thanks for the pics! Hi Boom175, The AMMO person could not tell me exact date to the day, but everything is ready and finished with the kit. The kit will be out in a month or max in 2, so that would be end of May or June. My Spanish is not so good (Zero) and his English . . . so it was not really clear but the kit will be available directly from Mig AMMO e shop but as far as I could make out also will be distributed to big wholesale companies. They would not say anything about the tool maker or the production of the kit, but in other forums it has been already mentioned that Kinetic was involved in some way. I would expect it was a similar arrangement to Annetra / AMK where the kit for AMMO was made by the subcontractor, in this case "probably" Kinetic. Hope this answers your question Bestr regards Gabor Quote Link to post Share on other sites
boom175 Posted April 24, 2023 Share Posted April 24, 2023 Thanks for the info Gabor, I am really looking forward to this kit. I think it will look nice set next to my 48th Phantoms. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ya-gabor Posted April 24, 2023 Author Share Posted April 24, 2023 Hi Boom175, The first two kits scheduled for release will be the Soviet/GDR and the Syrian/ Egypt scheme boxes. They told me that the second batch of two boxing’s will come few months later and one of them should have a Chinese / North Korea / Vietnam combo with a/c number 3020 and those red star kill marks. It could be worth waiting for it. But then again get a first release kit also, just in case. The last box will have Polish / Angolan and Cuban markings! Best regards Gabor Quote Link to post Share on other sites
kellyF15 Posted April 24, 2023 Share Posted April 24, 2023 This is a pretty exciting release! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Buckmeister Posted April 25, 2023 Share Posted April 25, 2023 Do we know who did the tooling? It looks a lot like a Trumpeter/Hobby Boss kit to me. I hope it has nothing in common with the old Hobby Boss MiG-17. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ya-gabor Posted April 25, 2023 Author Share Posted April 25, 2023 At the start the first thing that I have stated was that this is: completely new tooling! It has nothing to do with any previously released kit!!! As to the tooling and manufacture I commented few post before: They would not say anything about the tool maker or the production of the kit, but in other forums it has been already mentioned that Kinetic was involved in some way. I would expect it was a similar arrangement to Annetra / AMK where the kit for AMMO was made by the subcontractor, in this case "probably" Kinetic. Best regards Gabor Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Buckmeister Posted April 25, 2023 Share Posted April 25, 2023 That's good news! Do they have plans for any other MiG-17 variants? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ya-gabor Posted April 25, 2023 Author Share Posted April 25, 2023 39 minutes ago, Buckmeister said: That's good news! Do they have plans for any other MiG-17 variants? This is a good question. BUT If one considers that it is basically a new company in the injection moulded plastic kit market, I dont think they have scheduled other releases for the moment. I would say first they want to see the response of the market, of the modellers and then decide on other things to do. Yes, it would be cool to see other versions, but consider the considerable cost of making a kit like this, the world economic situation, the bloody war, rising costs of everything, delayed delivery/transportation times . . . All this adds up to a very careful consideration of what to do in the future. The move to invest in a brand new kit is very bold on its own!! Hats down to AMMO! Best regards Gabor Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bsin Posted April 25, 2023 Share Posted April 25, 2023 10 minutes ago, ya-gabor said: This is a good question. BUT If one considers that it is basically a new company in the injection moulded plastic kit market, I dont think they have scheduled other releases for the moment. I would say first they want to see the response of the market, of the modellers and then decide on other things to do. Yes, it would be cool to see other versions, but consider the considerable cost of making a kit like this, the world economic situation, the bloody war, rising costs of everything, delayed delivery/transportation times . . . All this adds up to a very careful consideration of what to do in the future. The move to invest in a brand new kit is very bold on its own!! Hats down to AMMO! Best regards Gabor WORD!!! I appreciate their efforts, and what they gave us! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
GeneK Posted April 26, 2023 Share Posted April 26, 2023 23 hours ago, ya-gabor said: Hats down to AMMO! Hats off to AMMO! Hope they produce a great product and thereby flourish. Thanks, as usual, Gabor for the heads up hats off. Gene K Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ya-gabor Posted April 26, 2023 Author Share Posted April 26, 2023 2 hours ago, GeneK said: Hats off to AMMO! Hope they produce a great product and thereby flourish. Thanks, as usual, Gabor for the heads up hats off. Gene K Thanks Gene! Gabor Quote Link to post Share on other sites
F-16 Posted April 26, 2023 Share Posted April 26, 2023 I wonder if this means that Kinetic will release it's own "gold" boxing of this kit? Scott CNJC-IPMS Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ya-gabor Posted April 27, 2023 Author Share Posted April 27, 2023 7 hours ago, F-16 said: I wonder if this means that Kinetic will release it's own "gold" boxing of this kit? Scott CNJC-IPMS We have absolutely no information on the terms of this work / cooperation. Was Kinetic a pure subcontractor in this deal as a tool maker? Was Kinetic giving to AMMO the kit for the first release? Do they at Kinetic have the right to release it under their own name? Was it a joint venture between Kinetic and AMMO? I did ask them (at the AMMO stand) at the Moson show "Who made the tools and manufactures the sprues?" They would not comment in any way this question! The Kinetic news comes from other forums from earlier this year. It could be completely false!!!!! I think only when AMMO will say so, or Kinetic will admit the fact will it be a real news. Best regards Gabor Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Buckmeister Posted April 27, 2023 Share Posted April 27, 2023 Raymond Cheung told me that he has no interest in Russian aircraft at all for Kinetic. That was some years ago, but that's what he said then. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bsin Posted April 27, 2023 Share Posted April 27, 2023 3 minutes ago, Buckmeister said: Raymond Cheung told me that he has no interest in Russian aircraft at all for Kinetic. That was some years ago, but that's what he said then. Told me the same thing. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ya-gabor Posted April 27, 2023 Author Share Posted April 27, 2023 But what about a contract job for making the production tools and doing some pressing of sprues? We will see in time if ever the truth about this AMMO kit will be released. Best regards Gabor Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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