Serelle Posted July 12, 2005 Share Posted July 12, 2005 Just curiosity guys... is there any differece for F/A-18E and F squadron missions? Which are they? Well, I guess it should be any to justify single and two seaters to be delivered to different squadrons. Serelle Link to post Share on other sites
Skull Leader Posted July 12, 2005 Share Posted July 12, 2005 We actually discussed this some time back I think. Use the search function up top and isolate this forum, it will probably come up. Link to post Share on other sites
Serelle Posted July 12, 2005 Author Share Posted July 12, 2005 Got it Skull Leader! Thanks! Serelle Link to post Share on other sites
siesta3 Posted July 12, 2005 Share Posted July 12, 2005 F/A-18Fs started flying the FAC-(A) missions - controlling other aircraft for CAS or in some cases emerging targets like mobile SAMs. You can essentially say there really is no difference but FAC-(A) missions started with the F-14s... and progressed to the F/A-18Fs. Take a look at Operation Iraqi Freedom - VFA-115 and VFA-14 flew regular strike missions and tanker missions while the F-18Fs from VFA-41 flew alot of FAC -(A). To add some fire to the F-14/F-18 debate VFA-41 did not fly wing with VFA-115 but with the FAC-(A) crews from VF-31 F-14s aboard the Lincoln. We can sit there and say E and F Bugs can be loaded in all the same configurations but single seat and two seat operational applications are different. F-15E crews are now qualifying for FAC-(A) missions. Makes me wonder about FAC-(A) qualified A-10 and F-16 pilots. Link to post Share on other sites
Scooby Posted July 12, 2005 Share Posted July 12, 2005 According to Detail and Scale the roles have reversed from before. F's will be used for carrier protection due to their decreased range. E's will be used for strike. But both jets can fill either role. And yes there was a long thread on it. Link to post Share on other sites
TomcatFanatic123 Posted July 13, 2005 Share Posted July 13, 2005 Well, if I really wanted to start some s**t, I could say that whatever the mission may be, a Tomcat could do it better :P :D Link to post Share on other sites
Skull Leader Posted July 13, 2005 Share Posted July 13, 2005 but we're going to be CIVIL and not mention a plane that wasn't discussed in the thread topic, right? Link to post Share on other sites
Capricorn Posted July 13, 2005 Share Posted July 13, 2005 According to Detail and Scale the roles have reversed from before.F's will be used for carrier protection due to their decreased range. E's will be used for strike. But both jets can fill either role. And yes there was a long thread on it. Thats pretty odd.. One of the lessons from the Gulf War (1991)were the complex strike and hunt missions deep inside Iraq. A two man crew was here seen to be a great asset. France increased their share of twoseat Rafael due to these lessons, but later reversed it. Air to air is a less demanding role much due to a new generation of BVR missiles. Well thats the short version... :( Link to post Share on other sites
Pete "Pig" Fleischmann Posted July 13, 2005 Share Posted July 13, 2005 Air to air is a less demanding role much due to a new generation of BVR missiles. Well thats the short version... B) Look out. A misinformed statement like this will get you in trouble... Thats my polite, short version. Regards, Pig Link to post Share on other sites
ThePhantomTwo Posted July 13, 2005 Share Posted July 13, 2005 (edited) Air to air is a less demanding role much due to a new generation of BVR missiles. Well thats the short version... :( Look out. A misinformed statement like this will get you in trouble... Thats my polite, short version. Regards, Pig Have to agree with Pig,I don't think my units pilots would be wrung out and dripping with sweat if all they did was fire off a AIM-120 at 20+ miles out at Red Flag,Cope Thunder,DACM,ect.Had to help more than one pilot out of the cockpit on those trips due to only pushing the little red boutton B) Edited July 13, 2005 by ThePhantomTwo Link to post Share on other sites
Fuji Posted July 13, 2005 Share Posted July 13, 2005 Actually, the F will be inheriting a few of the Tomcat's old missions. Tactical Recce with the SHARP pod Fast FAC - Ideal with a two man crew. Both the E and the F will be tasked with interdiction, CAS, Tanking and fleet defense. I think Sea Control, a mission inherited from the S-3 community will be better handled by the F for the same reason its an ideal Fast FAC. Link to post Share on other sites
Skull Leader Posted July 13, 2005 Share Posted July 13, 2005 I think Sea Control, a mission inherited from the S-3 community will be better handled by the F for the same reason its an ideal Fast FAC. no no no! You haven't heard about the super secret S/F-18 variant they're developing? LOL (kidding, I'm sure the Fox variant will do just fine) Link to post Share on other sites
Fuji Posted July 13, 2005 Share Posted July 13, 2005 I think Sea Control, a mission inherited from the S-3 community will be better handled by the F for the same reason its an ideal Fast FAC. no no no! You haven't heard about the super secret S/F-18 variant they're developing? LOL (kidding, I'm sure the Fox variant will do just fine) I thought that was SFA-18... SFA standing for So Freaking Absurd! I will admit, I like the Super Hornet a lot, but I find the way Boeing is trying to make it the Swiss Army Knife of fighters rather amusing. For Sea Control the Hornet will use all the same weapons that the Viking uses now for the mission; SLAM-ER, Maverick, Harpoon, and bombs. The AESA Radar and ATFLIR Combo will be ideally suited for the job as well. The only thing they loose is the ability to back up the SH-60s with Torpedoes but the Sub threat is getting pretty minor. As long as they can keep the 60s in the air and have an Orion on call, no worries. Link to post Share on other sites
habu2 Posted July 13, 2005 Share Posted July 13, 2005 Don't forget the Fighter Attack Reconnaissance Trainer Sub-hunter variant: the Super F/A/R/T/S-18 Plus Link to post Share on other sites
Murph Posted July 13, 2005 Share Posted July 13, 2005 Don't forget the Fighter Attack Reconnaissance Trainer Sub-hunter variant: the Super F/A/R/T/S-18 Plus So they'll have a choice between FARTS or a Growler? Regards, Murph Link to post Share on other sites
Fuji Posted July 13, 2005 Share Posted July 13, 2005 Oh but lets not forget the Super Hornet Intigrated Test System then you really have the ..... Link to post Share on other sites
Karl Sander Posted July 13, 2005 Share Posted July 13, 2005 (edited) Don't forget the Fighter Attack Reconnaissance Trainer Sub-hunter variant: the Super F/A/R/T/S-18 Plus So they'll have a choice between FARTS or a Growler? Regards, Murph FWIW, at the conference I was at last week, our little band of LTs decided to start a grass-roots movement to rename it the "Marmot." Why Marmot? Because it's not Growler. For the record, my vote was for either Shocker (yes, THAT kind of Shocker) or Liger (as in the movie "Napoleon Dynamite.") I also thought "Scwedi" would be fun.... think about the ball call Edited July 13, 2005 by Karl Sander Link to post Share on other sites
Skull Leader Posted July 13, 2005 Share Posted July 13, 2005 (edited) LOL, fun with acronyms! The Super Hornet never stood a chance! (you know, that's one of the cool things about being a graduate student at Wichita State University... our mascot is the shocker, and that's too cool for words ;) ) LOL, you Prowler backseaters have a lot of time on your hands, do you? Edited July 13, 2005 by Skull Leader Link to post Share on other sites
Skull Leader Posted July 13, 2005 Share Posted July 13, 2005 proof that ARCers know the shocker... (well, some of us... John probably thought we were throwing gang-signs and in downtown Wichita that's likely to get you shot...) Jeff and I know all about it though! (picture courtesy of Jeff Stoermer) Link to post Share on other sites
kstater94 Posted July 13, 2005 Share Posted July 13, 2005 But you forgot to post the SECOND photo Jeremy The one right AFTER this one where I (obviously out of the loop for some time) was educated on the "Shocker"!! John Link to post Share on other sites
Skull Leader Posted July 13, 2005 Share Posted July 13, 2005 Jeff didn't have that picture posted... or else I would've! Link to post Share on other sites
Capricorn Posted July 13, 2005 Share Posted July 13, 2005 Air to air is a less demanding role much due to a new generation of BVR missiles. Well thats the short version... B) Look out. A misinformed statement like this will get you in trouble... Thats my polite, short version. Regards, Pig I was refering to the "switchology" or the technical, the tactical and operational limitation of the Sparrow era semi guided weapons. I fully agree on the expanded and more comlpex roles new sensors, off board sensors, integration of sensors, gives in compensating more userfriendly systems. Link to post Share on other sites
Karl Sander Posted July 14, 2005 Share Posted July 14, 2005 LOL, fun with acronyms! The Super Hornet never stood a chance!(you know, that's one of the cool things about being a graduate student at Wichita State University... our mascot is the shocker, and that's too cool for words :blink: ) LOL, you Prowler backseaters have a lot of time on your hands, do you? :wacko: "backseater" won't be 100% accurate until the -18G actually shows up. Now it's only about 66% accurate Link to post Share on other sites
Skull Leader Posted July 14, 2005 Share Posted July 14, 2005 so what do you call yourselves NOW then? (......... wait for it.....) Link to post Share on other sites
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