David Walker Posted March 2, 2007 Share Posted March 2, 2007 Can't wait. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
fulcrum Posted March 2, 2007 Share Posted March 2, 2007 Wow! that instructions sheet looks like being from the 1/32 kit!! I need one of these new kits! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Chappie Posted March 2, 2007 Share Posted March 2, 2007 (edited) This really stinks, I'm going to have to use instructions to build an F-16!! I have not used instructions on Haseagwa kits for about 10 years!! :wacko: What would it take to make these kits into Block 40s? Scratch a HUD? Chappie Edited March 2, 2007 by Chappie Quote Link to post Share on other sites
boom175 Posted March 2, 2007 Share Posted March 2, 2007 This really stinks, I'm going to have to use instructions to build an F-16!! I have not used instructions on Haseagwa kits for about 10 years!! :wacko: What would it take to make these kits into Block 40s? Scratch a HUD? Chappie I am no F-16 expert, but I think a new HUD and the scab plates, TGP's you want and that would be it! at least from a modellers perspective. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gtypecanare Posted March 2, 2007 Share Posted March 2, 2007 Speaking of HUD Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Chappie Posted March 2, 2007 Share Posted March 2, 2007 Wow. This looks like an awesome kit! I've never put pilots in my models but with this JHMCS pilot, I may put one in these Tamiya kits. BTW, I just went to my LHS (which is mostly R/C) an ordered two kits. Hopefully, I'll get them in a couple weeks. Boy, I sooo hope they do an F-16E. Chappie Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jmathews Posted March 2, 2007 Share Posted March 2, 2007 Yes the Tamiya kit will be better. It benefits from 25 years of kit design and technology over the Hasegawa. Go compare your 2007 Lexus to your top of the line 1982 Toyota and tell me why Toyota is at fault for not keeping the '82 model up to date.I'll buy a Tamiya kit but I won't be getting rid of my Hasegawas. I agree with everything you say except this comparison doesn't fit.. 1982 Toyotas aren't still on the car lots being sold as new cars. And I won't be getting rid of my Hasegawa kits either! Jack Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Tiger27 Posted March 2, 2007 Share Posted March 2, 2007 The Tamiya F-16 CJ is in no doubt a very nice modell. but still. It's "Only" a Block 50 and has no option for block 52, and thus have limited verson and decal options. There are by my count alot more blk 40 and 30 vipers in the US than 50's. Like many said the Hasegawa CJ kit, have some shortcomings,but still has the options for building with minor modifications virtually all blocks from 25/30 and up. While the Tamiya viper will out of the box give a very nice block 50, with some modifications a block 30 or a block 40 (Need WAR HUD and some extra strengthening plates for the block 40) I still can't wait to get my hands on it althoug I wish they had made provitions for a block 52 aswell. (NSI and PW Engine) that would have opend for a whole lot of options.With some modifications like a new tail and non bulged weel doors (can be stolen from a hase kit) build into a very nice Block 15/AM Quote Link to post Share on other sites
lgl007 Posted April 24, 2007 Share Posted April 24, 2007 Hey all, So what after market decal options do we have for the Tamiya CJ Block 50? -Greg Quote Link to post Share on other sites
David Walker Posted April 24, 2007 Share Posted April 24, 2007 Pretty soon here Aftermarket decals will have the best selection around. Many of their decals that were set up for the Has. kit will fit the Tamiya, and their newest, upcoming sheets will be specificially for the Tamiya. They can be seen here: http://www.afterburnerdecals.com/products.html Quote Link to post Share on other sites
RedStar Posted April 24, 2007 Share Posted April 24, 2007 Tiger, As we seem to have all speculated, the sprues are laid out in such a way as to make allowances for subsequent versions. Also, as was pointed out, the fuselage is molded in such a way as to indicate that a family model is forthcoming...something a LOT of folks would love to see. Whilst fondling my sprues, I noted that it wouldn't be that hard for Tamiya to produce the needed bits to pop a block 25 kit or a block 40 with minimal cost. Anyone have anything to add? Anyone...anyone...Bueller? RS I agree, it does appear to be setup for further versions, however, how often has Tamiya ever done more than three variants off of one base kit? Perhaps this one will break that streak, but it seems that there could be 8-10 versions off of this tooling. I just afraid that we'll get a Thunderbirds block 30 and they'll call it a day like they did in 1/32. Perhaps they were just including the necessary parts to allow the aftermarket guys come out with parts to mod kits. I'd sure like to see the other engine, a block 40 equipped version (that I can mix and match the other engine parts to), even a way back early model with older tail planes, vertical, etc. Not too much of a stretch for them to tool the whole family from that one basic setup. Add two seaters and the E/F non-US models, and Tamiya could crank these out for a good while yet. Somehow, I just don't see them doing it - given their past history. Hope they prove me wrong! '78 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
F-16 Posted April 24, 2007 Share Posted April 24, 2007 I wonder if they will/can do a YF-16A version without too much trouble? We don't seem to have a good YF in 1/48 scale. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
RedStar Posted April 24, 2007 Share Posted April 24, 2007 (edited) Even if they do stop with the T-birds kit, we are still in the same boat that we were with Hasegawa.....except with a far superior kit. I just want a D....that's all I'm REALLY hoping for. Yes indeed, a much better kit - but at least with Hasegawa you can go back and build an A, A+ early C, MLU, B and D - let alone block numbers. They really did cover the full gamut - now there were tweaks required in almost every case, but at least the fundamentals were there. My gripe is a gripe about Tamiya in general, we get these vastly superior models, but they never exploit the mold possibilities as far as they could - it's my belief based on how these are cut that they really could do EVERY variant from the earliest A through and E or F - Particularly once they do the narrow intake/exhast for the Pratt engine variants - after that it's verticals, horizontals (for the earliest versions) and other scab-on parts. Believe me, I hope they'll do most of them, particularly block 40/42, as for me that's got the best markings and weapons possibilities (early Afterburner decals anyone). Not that it can't be done relatively easily as it stands, I'd just like to have Tamiya tool up the appropriate weapons, pods, and similar - as they'd be nice to have for other projects as well. In fairness, I need to give them time, it's only been out for about a month in regular release, and hopefully they'll prove me VERY wrong over the longer term - heck it took until last year before they finally did the Fw190A-8! And while we're on the subject of "versions on the table" - let's get that Block 40/42 in 1/32 as well! In the end, they have a long version of leaving opportunities on the table - off the top of my head - F4F-3, Fw190A-5/6, Mossies w/ two stage Merlins, P-47N - let's hope they don't do that in this case. Paul Edited April 24, 2007 by pcotcher Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Cobrahistorian Posted April 27, 2007 Share Posted April 27, 2007 So there's no provision for a Pratt engine in the kit? I was going to get this kit so I could do a Swamp Fox bird that I shot some pics of at Pensacola. Does anyone know if the Hasegawa intake and burner can will fit? Man this sucks... Jon Quote Link to post Share on other sites
boom175 Posted April 27, 2007 Share Posted April 27, 2007 So there's no provision for a Pratt engine in the kit? I was going to get this kit so I could do a Swamp Fox bird that I shot some pics of at Pensacola. Does anyone know if the Hasegawa intake and burner can will fit? Man this sucks... Jon Patience my young Jedi, I would bet the farm that they do a Tbird jet next. Which is a P&W powered A/C Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Chappie Posted April 27, 2007 Share Posted April 27, 2007 Patience my young Jedi, I would bet the farm that they do a Tbird jet next. Which is a P&W powered A/C If we get the T-Bird kit just about every Block C-model could be built. I just don't see how they could NOT do kits for all the major Blocks and variants. And if Tamiya doesn't I'm sure the aftermarket will. Hopefully, we'll get the kind of ride from this kit as we did with the Hasegawa family. Chappie Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Netz Posted April 27, 2007 Share Posted April 27, 2007 Tamiya did the F-16A FSD a/c not the YF-16. I found this over on Hyperscale about how to go about building a YF-16. Curt It's not even close. Even Tamiya's "original" 48th F-16 shape is that of an FSD aircraft (F-16A pre production), even though it has some prototype surface features. Some areas are the smaller size, like the intake and stabs. The stabs represent the size from the prototype, and not the smaller stabs of Block 1-10. The Otaki/ARII/Entex kit is the best kit to use to build a prototype, but it needs some work and corrections itself. First off, it needs a plausible cockpit and ESCAP seat. The canopy is terrible, being way too narrow and some what short. A bubble cross sectional canopy needs to be used, but also note that the canopy break/cut, is a degree or two steeper than the production Viper canopy. The OTAKI intake profile is way off, but you can use Tamiya's intake as a good replacement. The wheels wells should be addressed, as they are "similar" to the production version, though minus the JFS manual pump, Halon, battery, etc... The plumbing, ducting and wiring arrangement also had a different layout, but the basic structure from say “the Hasegawa kit†would work. The MLG gear is all wrong, as it's way too thick/ out of scale. The Hasegawa or Italeri gear can be used, though some mods will have to be done, especially in the nose gear. The NLG steering actuator was a vertical mount and a heavy base mount structure on the upper strut. The main and nose wheels are pretty much the same as the production versions, with some minor structure changes to the main wheels. The nose wheel (8 bolt) is the same wheel as on the F-4 nose, which is the case for the F-16A/B initial production run as well. In other words, the Hasegawa main/nose wheels are ok to use, despite being a bit under scaled themselves. Mike V Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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