ElboogiE Posted June 3, 2015 Author Share Posted June 3, 2015 So I did a small update on the cockpit. I added the parts to the middle console that will house some of my wires going from the main IP to itself. I followed a ref picture and tried to match what I saw. I have to shape the hose so its to scale, but other than that, I think I did that area correctly. The wires that go to the main IP and the middle console will be housed in those parts that I created. I am hoping that it looks better when its painted and have placards attached to it. Richard Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DonSS3 Posted June 3, 2015 Share Posted June 3, 2015 (edited) Hopefully not too late, but here are a couple of cockpit photos I took at a Ft Campbell Kentucky airshow in the summer of 2009. Not much in the way of wires hanging out under the left side instrument panel: A detail if your OH-58 is airbag-equipped, this was on the left glareshield, looking in through the wind screen: Edited June 3, 2015 by DonSS3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
11bee Posted June 3, 2015 Share Posted June 3, 2015 Now I remember that Gino gave me a look at a build to where the person did the airbags etc with his glare shield. I will look into that Gino and thank you. That was my build, I tried to replicate the airbags with thick plastic card for the housing (sanded to the correct contour) and thin plastic for the side pieces. It wasn't my best work but it was better than nothing. Also, if you want to add a small detail, many crews flying in combat stowed their M4's on the glareshield since space in the cockpit is at a premium. Also, the aircraft logbook is almost always present on the glareshield as well. It's a green 3-ring binder. Pretty easy to replicate from scrap plastic. Here is a shot from my build that shows how the airbags and cockpit came out. Not the best pic. Also, with regards to stuff stowed on the glareshield, check out: M4's, spare mags, maps, waterbottles, the aforementioned log book. All sorts of junk ended up stowed there. Just a word of warning - if you are adding M4's, you will have to sand down the side that is flush to the glareshield a bit, otherwise, it won't fit under the windshield. Nice progress so far, looking forward to more updates. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Floyd S. Werner, Jr. Posted June 3, 2015 Share Posted June 3, 2015 (edited) Hi Richard, Thanks a lot for your so high appreciation of my build. As for the cyclics and some other stuff I mastered, thay are not on the market yet... I wish I could convince Zactoman to resin cast them so that to drop them into the market, but... Maybe you will try. Cheers! Alexander Maybe it is time for you to do another master set for the interior for Werner's Wings. Collective, cyclic, CAB instrument panel, new style seats and anything else you think we need. I'd put out an interior set. I'm just saying.... Floyd Edited June 3, 2015 by Floyd S. Werner, Jr. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ElboogiE Posted June 3, 2015 Author Share Posted June 3, 2015 Maybe it is time for you to do another master set for the interior for Werner's Wings. Collective, cyclic, CAB instrument panel, new style seats and anything else you think we need. I'd put out an interior set. I'm just saying.... Floyd There you go Alexander, it is a good idea!! Thank you Floyd. Richard Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ElboogiE Posted June 3, 2015 Author Share Posted June 3, 2015 Hopefully not too late, but here are a couple of cockpit photos I took at a Ft Campbell Kentucky airshow in the summer of 2009. Not much in the way of wires hanging out under the left side instrument panel: A detail if your OH-58 is airbag-equipped, this was on the left glareshield, looking in through the wind screen: Thanks for the pictures Don, they will help me out a lot. Richard Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ElboogiE Posted June 3, 2015 Author Share Posted June 3, 2015 That was my build, I tried to replicate the airbags with thick plastic card for the housing (sanded to the correct contour) and thin plastic for the side pieces. It wasn't my best work but it was better than nothing. Also, if you want to add a small detail, many crews flying in combat stowed their M4's on the glareshield since space in the cockpit is at a premium. Also, the aircraft logbook is almost always present on the glareshield as well. It's a green 3-ring binder. Pretty easy to replicate from scrap plastic. Here is a shot from my build that shows how the airbags and cockpit came out. Not the best pic. Also, with regards to stuff stowed on the glareshield, check out: M4's, spare mags, maps, waterbottles, the aforementioned log book. All sorts of junk ended up stowed there. Just a word of warning - if you are adding M4's, you will have to sand down the side that is flush to the glareshield a bit, otherwise, it won't fit under the windshield. Nice progress so far, looking forward to more updates. Thanks 11bee. I looked over your build, amazing work that you did. I was wondering how do I install air bags but looking at your build, you have shown me the way. Thanks. Richard Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ElboogiE Posted June 3, 2015 Author Share Posted June 3, 2015 So the next step is to glue the parts that will go into the cockpit. Now while I was dry fitting the seats together I ran into something a little strange. In the picture it will show underneath the base of the seat to show where the hole is to attach the seat to the base. Now when I put the base of the seat to the base of the cockpit, is the seat suppose to be canted? And it is canted because of the lines that you can see on the seat and also the base where it is suppose to be attached. Richard Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Loach Driver Posted June 3, 2015 Share Posted June 3, 2015 If you are building a current/just retired OH-58D Kiowa, some of them had the mid-life engine fairing removed and the original engine fairing was restored, just as is featured in the kit. It might save you a lot of additional work. LD. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
spejic Posted June 3, 2015 Share Posted June 3, 2015 Now the mark on the chin windows is deep in there so there is no such thing as sanding with micro mesh to straighten the area out. The mark is not on the windshield, it is in the windshield. If anyone has a suggestion or a technique that they wish to share to remove this, I will gladly appreciate it. Sometimes the stress mark doesn't go all the way through the clear windscreen so you can sand it with 400-800 grit until it looks even and then polish it. Future also helps a bit, depending on the nature of the stress mark. It's particularly bad with this kit because the part is attached to the sprue by only one gate, so it is going to flex and stress and develop that mark before you even open the box. I actually have the clear parts for this model and they are useless to me. It still has a bit of a mark on one side, but it looks better than your example. If you want it, pm me your address. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ElboogiE Posted June 4, 2015 Author Share Posted June 4, 2015 If you are building a current/just retired OH-58D Kiowa, some of them had the mid-life engine fairing removed and the original engine fairing was restored, just as is featured in the kit. It might save you a lot of additional work. LD. lol....you may have to explain or give me a ref pic of what you are talking about...lol. Sorry for my ignorance but I don't know what a engine fairing is? Sorry Richard Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ElboogiE Posted June 4, 2015 Author Share Posted June 4, 2015 Sometimes the stress mark doesn't go all the way through the clear windscreen so you can sand it with 400-800 grit until it looks even and then polish it. Future also helps a bit, depending on the nature of the stress mark. It's particularly bad with this kit because the part is attached to the sprue by only one gate, so it is going to flex and stress and develop that mark before you even open the box. I actually have the clear parts for this model and they are useless to me. It still has a bit of a mark on one side, but it looks better than your example. If you want it, pm me your address. I will keep that in mind if I mess up with this one, thank you. I will try mecro-mesh and future and see how it turns out. Richard Quote Link to post Share on other sites
HeavyArty Posted June 4, 2015 Share Posted June 4, 2015 (edited) lol....you may have to explain or give me a ref pic of what you are talking about...lol. Sorry for my ignorance but I don't know what a engine fairing is? Sorry The resin part hat goes around the rotor mast in the AFV Club kit and in Floyd's set is the engine fairing. It is basically everything above the roof line. Some aircraft switched back to the original one as on the plastic fuselage in the kit. So you could leave the plastic as is and not use the resin part and still be correct. Also, yes, the seat is sloped. You can sort of see it below. Edited June 4, 2015 by HeavyArty Quote Link to post Share on other sites
infofrog Posted June 4, 2015 Share Posted June 4, 2015 (edited) The resin part hat goes around the rotor mast in the AFV Club kit and in Floyd's set is the engine fairing. It is basically everything above the roof line. Some aircraft switched back to the original one as on the plastic fuselage in the kit. So you could leave the plastic as is and not use the resin part and still be correct. Also, yes, the seat is sloped. You can sort of see it below. Gino Great photo as always Rick Edited June 4, 2015 by infofrog Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ElboogiE Posted June 4, 2015 Author Share Posted June 4, 2015 The resin part hat goes around the rotor mast in the AFV Club kit and in Floyd's set is the engine fairing. It is basically everything above the roof line. Some aircraft switched back to the original one as on the plastic fuselage in the kit. So you could leave the plastic as is and not use the resin part and still be correct. Also, yes, the seat is sloped. You can sort of see it below. See, that's what I am talking about. Now you are talking my language. Thank you Gino, you recognized that I am not familiar with helicopters.....LOL So now I can see what he is talking about. I think I will use Floyd detail set anyways when I order it. And thank you for the info on the seats, the picture explains it to me. Once again, thank you Gino, you are the man. Richard Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ElboogiE Posted June 4, 2015 Author Share Posted June 4, 2015 So I started messing with my EZ wire for the first time. Excellent products for adding in small wires without looking for the right gauge of wire. Plus, in my opinion, they look like small wires when they are bunched together plus they are already white. But they can be a pain when you start working with the "fine" thread. Because they stretch, it took me a little bit of time to get all 7 lines of thread together....lol Now the EZ wire in the picture is not glued and the attachments (black) in the picture is probably not what I will use in the final setting. I just wanted to see how the wires would look. I like it. I should have done the wires that go from the main IP on my black hawk this way. I will keep that in mind when I do my MH-60s build. Richard Quote Link to post Share on other sites
UH-1Mad Posted June 4, 2015 Share Posted June 4, 2015 Very nice Richard, another quality build in the mix. Where is the best place to get that EZ wire from? Chris Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ElboogiE Posted June 4, 2015 Author Share Posted June 4, 2015 Very nice Richard, another quality build in the mix. Where is the best place to get that EZ wire from? Chris I got mine from amazon, but the place that sent me the product is www.vcshobbies.com and they are based in Brooklyn NY. When I ordered the EZ line, it only took them 4 days for me to get it in the mail. Richard Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ElboogiE Posted June 4, 2015 Author Share Posted June 4, 2015 (edited) CABS (I think that what the airbag system is called on the glare shield.) So I decided that if I want to build a modern Kiowa, I would have to install the air bags on the glare shield. First I started my filing off the area on the glare shield where I wanted the air bags to go: Then I added some styrene and glued them where I wanted the air bags to go. Then I filed them to the shape that I was trying to reproduce. It still needs a little work but I don't think I did bad. I also added some very small strips of styrene on the outside of the airbag to complete them . Looking at the pictures, I still have some work to do on the airbags. Tomorrow I will try the Archer rivets that I got for the first time to replace the details that I removed from the glare shield. Richard Edited June 4, 2015 by ElboogiE Quote Link to post Share on other sites
HeavyArty Posted June 4, 2015 Share Posted June 4, 2015 CABS is looking pretty good. Off to a good start on this one too. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
infofrog Posted June 4, 2015 Share Posted June 4, 2015 Looking good .. Richard you are moving very well on his project .. Do you think the helicopters are harder to build than the jets you done? Rick Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ElboogiE Posted June 4, 2015 Author Share Posted June 4, 2015 Looking good .. Richard you are moving very well on his project .. Do you think the helicopters are harder to build than the jets you done? Rick I think that jets are a lot easier to build. Except for the WWII planes. On the WWII planes, you really have to make sure the engine looks good but other than that, the only thing that you have to worry about is the cockpit. On a helicopter, I had to pay attention to things that I am not use to pay attention to. The cabin, the roof, the miniguns, the ammunition boxes, etc. So I think that helicopters are a little harder. Especially since I am use to Tamiya jets to where the instruction and the parts fit on exactly. BUT....... Helicopters are a lot of fun, if you have the patience for it. I thought when I bought the Kiowa and comparing it to the Black Hawk that I just got done with, I expected this to be a small project because the Kiowa is much smaller helicopter than the black hawk. Boy was I wrong. lol Richard Quote Link to post Share on other sites
infofrog Posted June 4, 2015 Share Posted June 4, 2015 I think that jets are a lot easier to build. Except for the WWII planes. On the WWII planes, you really have to make sure the engine looks good but other than that, the only thing that you have to worry about is the cockpit. On a helicopter, I had to pay attention to things that I am not use to pay attention to. The cabin, the roof, the miniguns, the ammunition boxes, etc. So I think that helicopters are a little harder. Especially since I am use to Tamiya jets to where the instruction and the parts fit on exactly. BUT....... Helicopters are a lot of fun, if you have the patience for it. I thought when I bought the Kiowa and comparing it to the Black Hawk that I just got done with, I expected this to be a small project because the Kiowa is much smaller helicopter than the black hawk. Boy was I wrong. lol Richard Great reply I never done a jet . My hobby shop has some nice looking jets.. Me only Helicopters and tamyia jeeps . Working on side model Humvee .Tamyia makes some very nice armour models .. Rick Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ElboogiE Posted June 4, 2015 Author Share Posted June 4, 2015 CABS is looking pretty good. Off to a good start on this one too. Thanks Gino, I am trying. lol Richard Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ElboogiE Posted June 4, 2015 Author Share Posted June 4, 2015 (edited) For some reason the post that I just put in was duplicated. So sorry Edited June 4, 2015 by ElboogiE Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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