GreyGhost Posted January 27 Share Posted January 27 (All Photos: US Navy) -Gregg Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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11bee Posted February 26 Share Posted February 26 Nice, keep em coming! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
GreyGhost Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 Here ya go John ... (Note VFA-34's tank on the centerline ...) (All Photos: (c)US Navy) -Gregg Quote Link to post Share on other sites
phantom Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 Lots of stuff on the E-2D that was not on the E-2C. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
karl h Posted March 6 Share Posted March 6 (edited) this is one of my alltime favorite threads, but unfortunately i cant see the newer pics for weeks now 😢 EDIT: can see them now! Edited March 11 by karl h Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BWDenver Posted March 10 Share Posted March 10 From being around real AC for 32 years, you tend to get to know them. A lot of modelers tend to overdo it a bit. Especially when it comes to the landing gear. The main gear on Navy birds tends to get really dirty, but the nose gear is almost pristine. I pointed this out in an IPMS presentation and one of the folks who dirtied up the nose gear on Navy birds regularly, stopped talking to me after the slide show. Oh well. I was watching a YouTube on building the A-6A and the modeler went into great detail on how to "weather bombs". OK, these things are made and shipped to a port. Transferred to a UNREP ship and then moved over to the Bird Farm. The most time they spent in the weather was after they were up-loaded on the birds on the way to being dropped. they never get a chance to get weathered! Here are a few FA-18 shots. The Air to Air shot was taken over the Atlantice when I got a tanker hop out of Cherry point for ocean Venture '92. The other shots were taken on the weekly get together at NAS Washington in DC. AKA Andrews AFB. All shots are mine, enjoy, and like in the movies, less is more! Bryan Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BWDenver Posted March 10 Share Posted March 10 The opposite ends of weathering. The VX-5 birds look almost pristine, and the tactical birds can be on the other end. The A-7E from VA-87 on the America in the winter of 1980/81 was defiantly a ratty bird... And the A-7E during Viet Nam, that is fairly clean, taken at Ubon in 1972/73. And a nice shiny AC-130. The US shots are mine. The shots from UBON were taken by an unknown potog. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BWDenver Posted March 10 Share Posted March 10 While not jets, they are weathered! Nothing says dirty birdy than a recip. A-1's from Viet Nam. Several of the 43,000 shots I have from the National Museum of Naval Aviation I have... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BWDenver Posted March 10 Share Posted March 10 F-4N 152222 Eye Test. Not sure I've ever seen a bird weathered quite like this.... The bird was eventually converted to an QF-4N and likely is at the bottom of the pacific... National Museum of Naval Aviation, Drawer 46 - F-4 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Dave Roof Posted March 10 Share Posted March 10 1 hour ago, BWDenver said: I was watching a YouTube on building the A-6A and the modeler went into great detail on how to "weather bombs". OK, these things are made and shipped to a port. Transferred to a UNREP ship and then moved over to the Bird Farm. The most time they spent in the weather was after they were up-loaded on the birds on the way to being dropped. they never get a chance to get weathered! Bryan Well, you're obviously not an Ordnanceman that's spent time around ordnance off ship. During ODS, all of our bombs (any many of our missiles), were stored outside. Most of the ordnance dropped by both Navy and Marine Corps aircraft during OIF and OEF was also stored outside. Guess what happened to it? It got weathered. While you may in be referring to shipboard operations, it sounds more like a matter of fact statement for all ordnance, which is absolutely not the case. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BWDenver Posted March 10 Share Posted March 10 Good point, but I doubt they get covered with oil streaks and grime.... They simply fade, or get coated in that miserable dust they called sand.... The birds I flew in OIF were covered in sand, inside and out... Nice shot BTW. I had a lot of fun flying over there, but I do not miss the sand in everything! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BWDenver Posted March 10 Share Posted March 10 Winter Sky Scooters at Glenview ILL. A-4M 159785, 158160 TA-4J 163023 VMA-133 based at NAS Alameda shot at Glenview Ill, 02-17-90 Some areas are heavily WX'ed, some not so much. But I do love the A-4M! All my shots. Bryan Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Dave Roof Posted March 10 Share Posted March 10 (edited) 58 minutes ago, BWDenver said: Good point, but I doubt they get covered with oil streaks and grime.... They simply fade, or get coated in that miserable dust they called sand.... Depends on how one interprets what they see in a photo..... Edited March 10 by Dave Roof Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BWDenver Posted March 11 Share Posted March 11 The original comment was about an A-6A, with an implication it was a carrier-based bird, in Viet Nam. Not an A-6E in the Gulf, ok not THAT gulf. And the context of the comment was the model bomb load was over weathered for what it represented. You can offer any number of shots, but they may not be in the context of the comment... In Viet Nam the carrier-based birds were loaded with bombs that appeared to be were fairly clean. They were manufactured, shipped to a port, placed on a freighter and then when they got to an UnRep spot and moved over the carrier, or in a port outside of the conflict zone, and stored a magazine. They did not lay about roof or the hanger deck for long. I seem to recall there was a carrier off Midway that found that arrangement to be a really bad idea... My final comment on this, is the attached shot. Nice pristine bombs on their way to be delivered to a new owner... And in the context of my original comment... One of the 210,721 shots I have, probably 15,000 or so of my own, for this subject one of 42,027 shots from the National Musuem of Naval Aviation collation, originally scanned in 2009 by some chap who could not tell or did not bother to make sure the birds were reversed, or even upside right! This specific shot was No. A-2725, in Drawer 22, A-6. And in the context of my original comment... Cheers! Bryan Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Rob Mignard Posted March 11 Share Posted March 11 10 hours ago, BWDenver said: Here are a few FA-18 shots. The Air to Air shot was taken over the Atlantice when I got a tanker hop out of Cherry point for ocean Venture '92. The other shots were taken on the weekly get together at NAS Washington in DC. AKA Andrews AFB. I was flying with the 1st Helicopter Squadron at Andrews from 78-82. I missed very few Saturday morning shoots on the Navy side. Great times! Mig Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BWDenver Posted March 11 Share Posted March 11 10 minutes ago, Rob Mignard said: I was flying with the 1st Helicopter Squadron at Andrews from 78-82. I missed very few Saturday morning shoots on the Navy side. Great times! Mig Yes they were. I loved getting onto the VMFA 321 ramp. About 6 - 10 of us could be counted on to be there on Saturday mornings. some folks drove down from PA and NJ just to shoot the ramp. Loved it when Homecoming weekend came around at Annapolis. Fantastic ramps! I started shooting the ramp in '85. Went through a lot of Kodachrome! And after, breakfast across from the base! Warmest, Bryan Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ExchefAndy Posted March 11 Share Posted March 11 Great photos Bryan, thanks for adding these! Very appreciated, especially the F-4 Sundowners pics 👍 Andy Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Dave Roof Posted March 11 Share Posted March 11 11 hours ago, BWDenver said: The original comment was about an A-6A, with an implication it was a carrier-based bird, in Viet Nam. Not an A-6E in the Gulf, ok not THAT gulf. And the context of the comment was the model bomb load was over weathered for what it represented. You can offer any number of shots, but they may not be in the context of the comment... I conceded you may have only been referring to shipboard operations in my original response. However, I mentioned it appeared you were speaking about ordnance in general, to which I responded it was not the case. I posted the photos of the Mk-82 and BLU-111 simply to show that not all bombs are pristine and modelers at times simply use artistic license and aren't too concerned about 100% accuracy. If it looks cool to them, that's all that should matter. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BWDenver Posted March 11 Share Posted March 11 Love early F-4’s F4H-1 150440, redesignated as F-4B-13-MC in 1962. Later upgraded to an F-4N. Scrapped in 2004. It was assigned to VX-4 as SF-5 1970 – 1973. Modelers should note the bird still has the MB Mk.H5 ballistic seats. F-4J, 153087, the 18th J, with a load of test Sparrows. Both birds early in their careers, and showing signs of nice clean finishes. 153087 was SOC 6-1970. Not sure when this was taken, and if the F-4J’s were delivered with MB Mk.H7 rocket seats or not. The Upgrade for the Mk.H7 was issued in April 1968, so it’s possible this bird flew with a Mk.H5 ballistic seat. Any definitive info would be nice! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BWDenver Posted March 11 Share Posted March 11 It’s interesting to note the different “wear and tear” patterns on the early 1970’s finish of Navy AC. The birds were glossy in appearance, and it appears they used rattle cans on seam area. F-4N 151471 NK-210 VF-21 Coral-Sea, 1972 – 1973. lots of spot painting. F-4N 150489 NK-201 Coral Sea with what appears to be a CHAF pod exposed as it taxied. The F-4N’s had Mk.H7 seats. F-4J, 158378 NE-200 VF-21, Ranger fairly clean bird F-4B 149474, VF-32, AB-211 1972. Mk.H7 seats. Eventually transferred to Miramar as a ground trainer. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
GreyGhost Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 Great photos Bryan and Dave ..! (All Photos: (C)US Navy) -Gregg Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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