Dutch Posted June 8, 2020 Share Posted June 8, 2020 I wan to build one of the Early YF-16s with the row of flags underneath the cockpit. So which YF-16 (72-1567/68) or YF-16A (75-0745/50) carried the Israeli flag and when? After checking the F-16.net website, I can only discern one photo of YF-16 72-1568 circa Sep 80 at the Rome AFB hangar without nosecone that shows the israeli flag replacing the Iranian flag. K/r, Dutch Quote Link to post Share on other sites
82Whitey51 Posted June 8, 2020 Share Posted June 8, 2020 (edited) 36 minutes ago, Dutch said: I wan to build one of the Early YF-16s with the row of flags underneath the cockpit. So which YF-16 (72-1567/68) or YF-16A (75-0745/50) carried the Israeli flag and when? After checking the F-16.net website, I can only discern one photo of YF-16 72-1568 circa Sep 80 at the Rome AFB hangar without nosecone that shows the israeli flag replacing the Iranian flag. K/r, Dutch According to the caption here from the F-16 In Action book (No. 53, the first one on the F-16), it was aircraft 01568, No. 2 prototype, in July on 1979. It also looks as if by then the earlier STENCIL seat has been replaced by the ESCAPAC seat here. [/ Edited June 8, 2020 by 82Whitey51 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Dutch Posted June 8, 2020 Share Posted June 8, 2020 Thanks Andy. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Quixote74 Posted June 8, 2020 Share Posted June 8, 2020 1 hour ago, 82Whitey51 said: It also looks as if by then the earlier STENCIL seat has been replaced by the ESCAPAC seat here. Actually since this was the #2 protoype (YF), it had the ESCAPAC from first flight. The Stencel seat was only used on the Full-Scale Development (FSD) airframes (single-seaters 75-0745 through 75-0750 and two-seaters 75-0751 & 75-0752) before switching again to ACES II for Block 1 full production. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
82Whitey51 Posted June 8, 2020 Share Posted June 8, 2020 1 hour ago, Quixote74 said: Actually since this was the #2 protoype (YF), it had the ESCAPAC from first flight. The Stencel seat was only used on the Full-Scale Development (FSD) airframes (single-seaters 75-0745 through 75-0750 and two-seaters 75-0751 & 75-0752) before switching again to ACES II for Block 1 full production. 👍 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
stalal Posted June 9, 2020 Share Posted June 9, 2020 On 12/10/2019 at 6:21 PM, KursadA said: Thanks - it looks like there was a lot of video footage from the 1975 European demo that has been posted to YouTube and such, so I am going through those videos to find out the details of the RF-4. Lots of interesting early F-16 info out there - this video showing the AIM-7 installation on the YF-16 is very interesting, and provides the best view of the super-weird landing gear door mounted Sparrow setup that was tested for a short time (watch the video at 2:40; turn volume down to protect yourself from the 1970s soundtrack). The door mounted missiles look very weird. Wonder what kind of pylons they would be? Also, the ejection seat in demo F-16 is different from ejection seat we find in most of the F-16 kits. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
KursadA Posted June 25, 2020 Author Share Posted June 25, 2020 Excellent AFTI/F-16 build from the French forum master194: http://www.master194.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=108814& Quote Link to post Share on other sites
The Arrowhead Posted June 26, 2020 Share Posted June 26, 2020 (edited) Hi, thank you for showing my AFTI/F-16 build here on ARC. I indeed used some of the Caracal Early F-16 sheet markings on this one. KursadA, your decals took ages to reach me in the peak of the COVID-19 crisis, but I am really thankful to you. Hope you like the finished model! PA « Arrowhead » Lambert from France Edited June 26, 2020 by The Arrowhead Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jenshb Posted June 27, 2020 Share Posted June 27, 2020 It's a beautiful model Mr Lambert. May I ask where you found the photo of the intake showing the bumps? My holy Grail photo is a similiar view of the F-16/79 intake... Jens Quote Link to post Share on other sites
The Arrowhead Posted June 30, 2020 Share Posted June 30, 2020 Hi Jens, glad you like my build. The intake pic was captured on the web years ago et and unfortunately I lost the link. Anyway I never came accross the same detailed picture for the F-16/79 intake. Still searching... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
habu2 Posted June 30, 2020 Share Posted June 30, 2020 (edited) On 6/27/2020 at 5:38 AM, jenshb said: May I ask where you found the photo of the intake showing the bumps? The pic looks to be the same as or similar to a pic I received from Mike Valdez many years ago. I had a reference page for the AFTI jet on my old habu2.net website that included that pic but that went away a long time ago. It can still be found on the wayback machine. edit: the YF-16 CCV had similar inlet bumps but I don't have any pics. On both aircraft these bumps provide clearance for the actuators for the inlet-mounted canards. Edited June 30, 2020 by habu2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
KursadA Posted July 1, 2020 Author Share Posted July 1, 2020 As of today, 80% of the print run of this sheet is gone - one of the fastest in Caracal's history. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
82Whitey51 Posted October 10, 2020 Share Posted October 10, 2020 A quick reference note for anyone building the #1 or #2 prototype. I'm currently working to build the #1 jet (01567) and while searching for a good photo of the underside of the prototype jets (to determine if indeed they had no arresting hook), I noticed a slight difference in the blue paint scheme on the bottom, with the aft end of 01567 being rounded, and 01568 being a sharp angle to a point. Somewhat minor, I know, but nonetheless... 01567: 01568: Quote Link to post Share on other sites
KursadA Posted October 29, 2020 Author Share Posted October 29, 2020 Sold out! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ZippoTheZipdrive Posted March 16, 2022 Share Posted March 16, 2022 (edited) On 10/29/2020 at 7:44 PM, KursadA said: Sold out! Mrb! Any plans on reprints of 'The early years'? since they sold out so fast there must be a market for it! \\Dan Sorry NVM I just read this: "... I am sorry I will not respond to the "what about XYZ?" messages in this thread - I know many of you have been waiting for something or other for a while. If I have any updates about an upcoming sheet, rest assured I will update the associated thread immediately..." So Im' gonna find the correct thread :d Edited March 16, 2022 by ZippoTheZipdrive Quote Link to post Share on other sites
KursadA Posted March 16, 2022 Author Share Posted March 16, 2022 4 hours ago, ZippoTheZipdrive said: Mrb! Any plans on reprints of 'The early years'? since they sold out so fast there must be a market for it! \\Dan Sorry NVM I just read this: "... I am sorry I will not respond to the "what about XYZ?" messages in this thread - I know many of you have been waiting for something or other for a while. If I have any updates about an upcoming sheet, rest assured I will update the associated thread immediately..." So Im' gonna find the correct thread :d This is the correct thread 🙂 I will definitely reprint this sheet, just not that quickly. I think the end of 2022/early 2023 would be a good time for a reprint of this and the NASA F-104 at the same time. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ZippoTheZipdrive Posted March 16, 2022 Share Posted March 16, 2022 1 hour ago, KursadA said: This is the correct thread 🙂 I will definitely reprint this sheet, just not that quickly. I think the end of 2022/early 2023 would be a good time for a reprint of this and the NASA F-104 at the same time. EXCELLENT!! <3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Captain Tyler Posted March 17, 2022 Share Posted March 17, 2022 11 hours ago, KursadA said: This is the correct thread 🙂 I will definitely reprint this sheet, just not that quickly. I think the end of 2022/early 2023 would be a good time for a reprint of this and the NASA F-104 at the same time. Good to know. 72 and 48? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
RobertS Posted May 19, 2023 Share Posted May 19, 2023 (edited) On 6/8/2020 at 9:33 PM, Quixote74 said: The Stencel seat was only used on the Full-Scale Development (FSD) airframes (single-seaters 75-0745 through 75-0750 and two-seaters 75-0751 & 75-0752) before switching again to ACES II for Block 1 full production. Kevin Renshaw: " First 4 jets had the Stencel seats. Replaced later. " https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=3207989035931250&set=pb.100001605549004.-2207520000.&type=3 Edited May 19, 2023 by RobertS Quote Link to post Share on other sites
RobertS Posted May 19, 2023 Share Posted May 19, 2023 On 3/16/2022 at 4:32 PM, KursadA said: I will definitely reprint this sheet, just not that quickly. I think the end of 2022/early 2023 would be a good time for a reprint of this It's time 🙃 good time for reprint. When can I buy it? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Quixote74 Posted May 23, 2023 Share Posted May 23, 2023 On 5/19/2023 at 1:55 PM, RobertS said: Kevin Renshaw: " First 4 jets had the Stencel seats. Replaced later. " https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=3207989035931250&set=pb.100001605549004.-2207520000.&type=3 Not sure how "first 4" is defined in this context, but until I see photos of an ACES II in an FSD airframe I'm inclined to stick with the Stencel. Note, among other things: - There's a comment in that same thread about '752' (the second 2-seater) having the Stencel fitted as late as 1983 - There were only 8 FSD airframes total (6 singles and 2 family models), so if the 2nd two-seater had Stencels then it's safe to deduce the first did also - Even if "first four" is taken to refer only to the single seaters (i.e. not counting the 2-seaters that had Stencels among the four), that would mean that '749 and '750 had ACES seats - There's photographic evidence that those later production single-seaters also had Stencels fitted. As an example, these shots of 75-750 - more specifically the ones from 1982 in AFTI configuration, clearly show a Stencel seat: https://www.f-16.net/aircraft-database/F-16/airframe-profile/8/ Quote Link to post Share on other sites
The Arrowhead Posted January 2 Share Posted January 2 50 years of F-16 in 2024: a good opportunity to re-issue this one? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ZippoTheZipdrive Posted January 2 Share Posted January 2 2 hours ago, The Arrowhead said: 50 years of F-16 in 2024: a good opportunity to re-issue this one? Every time I get an email about this thread my heart flutters 😛 I second that reprint. In several scales. \\Dan Happy new year btw. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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