Tato Posted December 18, 2020 Share Posted December 18, 2020 Hi guys! Hope everyone is doing well and safe! My next project is to make an F-16 ADF and I've got some doubts regarding these birds: 1.- How much different is the cockpit from a regular F-16A model. 2.- These planes carried the reinforcement plates in the fuselage? According to the photos I have seen, apparently not. 3.- I want to arm it fully loaded, with 2 AIM-7, 2 AIM-120 and 2 AIM-9. Is this a feasable loadout for a mid 90's bird? 4.- What version of the AIM-7 and AIM-120 where using at that time? 5.- The pylon used for the AIM-7 is the standard one use in the F-16? Sorry for all these questions but I'm a little confused regarding the use of this aircrafts. I read that they were retired by the mid 90's, but I found photos of 2004 with this birds still in active service. In fact, this is the aircraft I'm doing (from what I can see, it seems that this photo is from the early 2000's): Thanks for the help!! Regards, Tato Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jmel Posted December 18, 2020 Share Posted December 18, 2020 The ADFs were so cool. 1) Very similar, but the ADF had a few items not found on standard A-models, such as HF radio. There are panels present inside the cockpit for these systems. 2) They had the Falcon STAR plating over the fuel cells and many had additional plates aft of the cockpit. 3) Accurate load, in theory, but seldom actually carried. AIM-120 didn't come around to the ADF community until 92 or so. 4) Depends on the era. If you're looking for that Hooligans' jet, it would be AIM-120A and AIM-7M. 5) No. It's unique to the ADF specifically for the AIM-7. The Hooligans were the final ADF-operator, retiring their jets in 2007. However, many individual ADFs soldiered on with Tucson as 'vanilla' A-models for training since they were relatively low time airframes. For further info, this book may be of help. It covers the ADF Vipers. https://www.reidairpublishing.com/books/the-early-viper-guide-the-f-16ab-exposed Jake Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Guard Hog Posted December 18, 2020 Share Posted December 18, 2020 It's beyond the scope of what you're asking about, but I find it interesting that the Italian Air Force flew F-16ADF's on hundreds of combat missions in Libya 2011. I read an article about them a while back; they were dedicated air-to-air and and loaded with, I think, 4 x AIM-120 and 2 x AIM-9. I love seeing old fighters get new life, especially Guard birds. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Da SWO Posted December 18, 2020 Share Posted December 18, 2020 F-16.net is a good source of data. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
habu2 Posted December 19, 2020 Share Posted December 19, 2020 You can find the AIM-7 specific pylon in the Revell 1/48 ADF kit. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Tato Posted December 21, 2020 Author Share Posted December 21, 2020 On 12/18/2020 at 1:31 PM, jmel said: The ADFs were so cool. 1) Very similar, but the ADF had a few items not found on standard A-models, such as HF radio. There are panels present inside the cockpit for these systems. 2) They had the Falcon STAR plating over the fuel cells and many had additional plates aft of the cockpit. 3) Accurate load, in theory, but seldom actually carried. AIM-120 didn't come around to the ADF community until 92 or so. 4) Depends on the era. If you're looking for that Hooligans' jet, it would be AIM-120A and AIM-7M. 5) No. It's unique to the ADF specifically for the AIM-7. The Hooligans were the final ADF-operator, retiring their jets in 2007. However, many individual ADFs soldiered on with Tucson as 'vanilla' A-models for training since they were relatively low time airframes. For further info, this book may be of help. It covers the ADF Vipers. https://www.reidairpublishing.com/books/the-early-viper-guide-the-f-16ab-exposed Jake Hi Jake, Thanks for your very complete answers to my questions. They clarify things a lot! I was hoping you would chime in!. I did buy the book, but still on it it's way! Hope to receive it soon. Looks amazing! On 12/18/2020 at 2:26 PM, Da SWO said: F-16.net is a good source of data. Hi Da SWO, Thanks for your answers. I was using that page to gather info, in fact, the photo is from that page. On 12/19/2020 at 12:27 AM, habu2 said: You can find the AIM-7 specific pylon in the Revell 1/48 ADF kit. Hi habu2, That's my idea. I'm using the specific ADF parts on a Hasegawa F-16A. In fact, I'm thinking on building both at the same time, using the Revell kit to build a regular A model, in order to give this kit a chance to be build and not finish as a donor of parts!. Thanks everyone for the help! Regards, Tato Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jmel Posted December 21, 2020 Share Posted December 21, 2020 On 12/18/2020 at 12:14 PM, Guard Hog said: It's beyond the scope of what you're asking about, but I find it interesting that the Italian Air Force flew F-16ADF's on hundreds of combat missions in Libya 2011. I read an article about them a while back; they were dedicated air-to-air and and loaded with, I think, 4 x AIM-120 and 2 x AIM-9. I love seeing old fighters get new life, especially Guard birds. I totally forgot about the Italian jets, Tom. Those were all ex-ANG Vipers repurposed after sitting at AMARC for many years, and flying combat 10+ years later. How cool is that? Sadly, most of them have now been re-re-purposed into QF-16s. Maybe they'll send you down to Tyndall for a Combat Archer one of these days. 🙂 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jmel Posted December 21, 2020 Share Posted December 21, 2020 2 hours ago, Tato said: Hi Jake, Thanks for your very complete answers to my questions. They clarify things a lot! I was hoping you would chime in!. You are very welcome! Let me know if i can be of any further help! Jake Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Guard Hog Posted December 21, 2020 Share Posted December 21, 2020 4 hours ago, jmel said: I totally forgot about the Italian jets, Tom. Those were all ex-ANG Vipers repurposed after sitting at AMARC for many years, and flying combat 10+ years later. How cool is that? Sadly, most of them have now been re-re-purposed into QF-16s. Maybe they'll send you down to Tyndall for a Combat Archer one of these days. 🙂 No thanks... not sure I could pull the trigger against an old bird that served her country so well. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Niels Posted December 22, 2020 Share Posted December 22, 2020 (edited) There is a photo over on F-16.net of F-16A ADF 81-0665 dated October 29, 2001 showing her flying with AIM-7M's, AIM-120B on wingtips and AIM-9M's. Unit was 119FW 178FS. All the missiles are live http://www.f-16.net/g3/f-16-photos/album38/album68/81-0665 Edited December 22, 2020 by Niels Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Mizar Posted December 22, 2020 Share Posted December 22, 2020 On 12/21/2020 at 5:54 PM, jmel said: I totally forgot about the Italian jets, Tom. Those were all ex-ANG Vipers repurposed after sitting at AMARC for many years, and flying combat 10+ years later. How cool is that? Sadly, most of them have now been re-re-purposed into QF-16s. Maybe they'll send you down to Tyndall for a Combat Archer one of these days. 🙂 Remember that AMI F-16ADF like most of the upgraded F-16A do have C style gun vents, also check MLG wheels and spine panels for other sneaky changes Luigi Quote Link to post Share on other sites
fintajoe Posted December 23, 2020 Share Posted December 23, 2020 (edited) Hello Folks, The Kinetic's first 1/48 F/A-18C kit (48031) also include 2 sprues with F-16 ADF pylons with Sparrows) Zoltán Edited December 23, 2020 by fintajoe Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Tato Posted December 23, 2020 Author Share Posted December 23, 2020 On 12/22/2020 at 3:20 AM, Niels said: There is a photo over on F-16.net of F-16A ADF 81-0665 dated October 29, 2001 showing her flying with AIM-7M's, AIM-120B on wingtips and AIM-9M's. Unit was 119FW 178FS. All the missiles are live http://www.f-16.net/g3/f-16-photos/album38/album68/81-0665 Hi Niels, Indeed, that's a great photo. Apart from the interesting loadout it shows some other details, like the reinforcement plates in the wing. A detail to keep in mind when I start this build. Thanks for the photo! 1 hour ago, fintajoe said: Hello Folks, The Kinetic's first 1/48 F/A-18C kit (48031) also include 2 sprues with F-16 ADF pylons with Sparrows) Zoltán Hi Zoltán, Didn't know that, good to know. Thanks. Tato Quote Link to post Share on other sites
taggor Posted June 4 Share Posted June 4 So, four years later....... Does anyone make an after market AIM-7 pylon for 1/48 F-16's? It seems like a reasonably popular subject within the F-16 model community. I have the ADF Revell kit and would rather not use it's pylons if possible Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Da SWO Posted June 4 Share Posted June 4 1 hour ago, taggor said: So, four years later....... Does anyone make an after market AIM-7 pylon for 1/48 F-16's? It seems like a reasonably popular subject within the F-16 model community. I have the ADF Revell kit and would rather not use it's pylons if possible Yes, a Korean company whose name escapes me right now. KASL? I am tied up for a couple of days, but will get back to you. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
taggor Posted June 4 Share Posted June 4 Thanks for the response! I will look into KASL products in the meantime. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Da SWO Posted June 4 Share Posted June 4 11 hours ago, taggor said: Thanks for the response! I will look into KASL products in the meantime. Karaya, part U4808 F-16 set (more than pylons) https://www.scalemates.com/kits/karaya-u4808-f-16-c-exterior-detail-set--1178047 https://www.scalemates.com/kits/karaya-u4805-f-16-fighting-falcon-pylons--1022230 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
taggor Posted June 4 Share Posted June 4 21 minutes ago, Da SWO said: Karaya, part U4808 F-16 set (more than pylons) https://www.scalemates.com/kits/karaya-u4808-f-16-c-exterior-detail-set--1178047 https://www.scalemates.com/kits/karaya-u4805-f-16-fighting-falcon-pylons--1022230 Thank you for the links. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Crash Test Dummy Posted June 4 Share Posted June 4 16 minutes ago, taggor said: Thank you for the links. The Karaya sets only include the standard pylons common to most modern F-16s. They do not include AIM-7 501 pylons. Kinetic has them in some of their F/A-18 kits on their AIM-7 sprues. You might try Kinetic customer support to order a couple sprues, but I wouldn't hold my breath. While this sprue has an F-16 pylon I don't think they ever included this in any of their F-16 kits. I'm nearly certain they haven't been in any of their new mold kits and I never cared enough about their first attempt to keep track of what they did with any of them. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
taggor Posted June 4 Share Posted June 4 3 hours ago, Crash Test Dummy said: The Karaya sets only include the standard pylons common to most modern F-16s. They do not include AIM-7 501 pylons. Kinetic has them in some of their F/A-18 kits on their AIM-7 sprues. You might try Kinetic customer support to order a couple sprues, but I wouldn't hold my breath. While this sprue has an F-16 pylon I don't think they ever included this in any of their F-16 kits. I'm nearly certain they haven't been in any of their new mold kits and I never cared enough about their first attempt to keep track of what they did with any of them. Thank you for the tip about the Kinetic spru's. It does seem rather odd to include such things in a f/a-18 kit. As it turns out I do have the 2020 Gold boxing of the 48031 kit. I will have to check and see if it has the spru's. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
habu2 Posted June 4 Share Posted June 4 6 hours ago, Crash Test Dummy said: While this sprue has an F-16 pylon I don't think they ever included this in any of their F-16 kits. Sprue FF (AIM-7 & pylon) was included in Kinetic F-16A/B "Block 20" kits 48011 & 48055 https://www.scalemates.com/kits/kinetic-k48011-f-16a-b-block-20--151968 https://www.scalemates.com/kits/kinetic-k48055-f-16a-b-block-20--969377 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ORANGF15Guy Posted June 5 Share Posted June 5 We need an aftermarket company like BAM Models to develop an ADF conversion set-pylons, search light, vertical stab, scab plates and IP for the Tamiya F-16! I’d be in for at least two and it certainly sounds like there is interest! Hint, hint! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
habu2 Posted June 5 Share Posted June 5 22 hours ago, habu2 said: Sprue FF (AIM-7 & pylon) was included in Kinetic F-16A/B "Block 20" kits 48011 & 48055 https://www.scalemates.com/kits/kinetic-k48011-f-16a-b-block-20--151968 https://www.scalemates.com/kits/kinetic-k48055-f-16a-b-block-20--969377 Note the kits quoted above are the original mold kits. The new mold "Gold" kit 48160 uses the same box art and decal sheets from (old mold) kit 48055 but 48160 does NOT include sprue FF. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
taggor Posted June 5 Share Posted June 5 22 minutes ago, habu2 said: Note the kits quoted above are the original mold kits. The new mold "Gold" kit 48160 uses the same box art and decal sheets from (old mold) kit 48055 but 48160 does NOT include sprue FF. Thanks for the information. Much appreciated. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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