Dr Fester Posted August 28, 2005 Share Posted August 28, 2005 (edited) Hi, Here is a list of aircraft which took part in the Battle of Britain and qualify for this Group Build. Allies Supermarine Spitfire Mk.I Supermarine Spitfire Mk.II (Selected Sq's only) Hawker Hurricane Mk.I Hawker Sea Hurricane Boulton Paul Defiant Mk.I Supermarine Stranrear Mk.I Supermarine Walrus Avro Anson Mk.I Gloster Gladiator Mk.II Bristol Beaufort Bristol Blenheim Miles Magister Vickers Wellington Handley-Page Hampden Armstrong-Whitworth Whitley Axis Messerschmitt BF-109 E1 Messerschmitt BF-109 E3 Messerschmitt BF-109 E4 Messerschmitt BF-110 C Heinkel He-59 Heinkel He-111 Heinkel He-113 Heinkel He-115 Dornier Do-17 Dornier Do-18 Dornier Do-24 Dornier Do-215 Focke Wulf FW-200 Junkers Ju-87 Junkers Ju-88 Arado Ar-196 Fiat G-50 Fiat Cr-42 Fiat Br-20 North American NA-57 My knowledge of this battle is slim and if you think of any more types or have questions regarding what you propose entering please post here :- Cheers Doc Edited August 29, 2005 by Dr Fester Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Mikehorrell Posted August 28, 2005 Share Posted August 28, 2005 Hi! First off, let me say that I think you all have done a wonderful job bringing things to this point and I'm really looking forward to participating in this. Neither of the two planes I'm planning to build are on your list; the Fiat BR.20 bomber which operated out of Belgium and made a number of... ehem... "less than fully successful"... strikes and the Miles Magister which not only served as a trainer but also as a liason aircraft. The Fiat defintely belongs since it was an operational combat aircraft participating in the battle during the time period specified, but perhaps the Maggie is too far afield? Before I get too involved in this, could I have a ruling on the Maggie? I did privately contact one of the sponsors of the build who thought it was "legit" but perhaps not? No offense would be taken by me if the Maggie doesn't make the cut, but if it doesn't then there is a whole realm of similar aircraft that would have to be excluded as well and it would be best to get that nailed down quickly. Again, I'm not upset, just want to make sure I'm on solid ground befor proceding. Thanks! :blink: Quote Link to post Share on other sites
crazydon Posted August 28, 2005 Share Posted August 28, 2005 Hey Mike, the Br 20 is ok...thats what the Italians few for the bomber missions...the Maggie we can find out...thats one of the reasons we did this section of the forum.....so we could ask others about support aircraft Quote Link to post Share on other sites
madcow Posted August 28, 2005 Share Posted August 28, 2005 Which versions of the He-111 apply for the GB? TIA, Ricardo Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Mikehorrell Posted August 28, 2005 Share Posted August 28, 2005 Hey Mike, the Br 20 is ok...thats what the Italians few for the bomber missions...the Maggie we can find out...thats one of the reasons we did this section of the forum.....so we could ask others about support aircraft Thanks, Don; That's why I'm raising the question now since it has broader impact than just the one specific aircraft. Would a BF-108 or BU.138 used as liason aircraft in occupied Europe be considered a participant? Or Avro Ansons or Airspeed Envoys on the British side? I have absolutely no problem if the sponsor team decided to restrict participation to actual combat type aircraft or specific examples of other types that through circumstance wound up in combat, just thought we should nail this jello to the tree Quote Link to post Share on other sites
crazydon Posted August 28, 2005 Share Posted August 28, 2005 I think we settled on all support aircraft that flew in the time frame...since training pilots for the RAF was crucial it seems right for those to be included...same with the Germans...and it gives us a wider berth for guys who might want to build something other than a 109 or Spitfire ... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Grant in West Oz Posted August 28, 2005 Share Posted August 28, 2005 I see the Supermarine Stranraer is mentioned, presumably in the ASR role. I was planning on building a Supermarine Walrus ASR as they did pull a lot of pilots out of the drink. FAA 808 also used the Fairey Fulmar as a fighter during the period. Ruling on these aircraft please. My thoughts on the 'coms' aircraft. Airspeed, Avro, Miles, Percival etal aircraft that were used in great numbers moving flying crew around the country, returning delivery pilots to factory assembly areas should be permitted to 'join' the build. Lysander too. G Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JEN722 Posted August 28, 2005 Share Posted August 28, 2005 The Miles Magister was used by Heinz Schnabel in his attempt to escape the British. He and Harry Wappler - a He111 pilot from KG 27 - managed to get into a RAF base with Magisters and Tiger Moths, and actually managed to take-off in one of the Magisters, but lack of fuel forced them to land. This, however, was on 23 November 1941, although Schnabel had been shot down on 5 September 1940 (i.e. during the BoB). Regards, Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Dr Fester Posted August 28, 2005 Author Share Posted August 28, 2005 Which versions of the He-111 apply for the GB? Ricardo, The Heinkel He-111P which was introduced in 1938 was still in operation during the BoB in some units but most had converted to the He-111H. More info >HERE< Hope this helps Doc Quote Link to post Share on other sites
lasermonkey Posted August 28, 2005 Share Posted August 28, 2005 (edited) My thoughts on the 'coms' aircraft. Airspeed, Avro, Miles, Percival etal aircraft that were used in great numbers moving flying crew around the country, returning delivery pilots to factory assembly areas should be permitted to 'join' the build. Lysander too. Not forgetting the lovely de Havilland aircraft that would have been used for the same purposes. I quite fancy doing yet another Dragon Rapide/Domnie! Cheers, Mark. ps what about the Westland Whirlwind, Bristol Beaufighter Mk If, A.W. Whitley, Vickers Wellington Mk Ic, H.P. Hampden, Fairey Battle, Blackburn Botha, Short Sunderland, Saro Lerwick, H.P. Harrow/Sparrow and Lockheed Hudson? All of these types were operated by the RAF during the allotted time-frame. Not that I'd be doing a Lerwick or Botha for some time (I don't even have any!) Edited August 29, 2005 by lasermonkey Quote Link to post Share on other sites
silver1 Posted August 29, 2005 Share Posted August 29, 2005 Correct me if I'm wrong, didn't the Luftwaffe use the Ju-88A-1 but the only 1/48 Ju88 is the A-4? Any conversions available? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Don Posted August 29, 2005 Share Posted August 29, 2005 Correct me if I'm wrong, didn't the Luftwaffe use the Ju-88A-1 but the only 1/48 Ju88 is the A-4? Any conversions available? Yep you are correct. The JU-88 A-1 was the type used in the BoB and I don't believe that the A-4 version came out until 1941. So as is, the available 1/48 kits out there would need to be converted/backdated to A-1 standards from the boxed A-4 (although there were some different sub-types to the A-1 that were used, but how they match up with the A-4 version I have no clue...sorry). There is this coversion set out there: http://www.shopcreator.com/mall/productpag...ruction/CV48019 I thought about it for this GB, but then decided on the Monogram HE-111. I am not sure how hard the conversion would be to do it yourself . The wings need to be shortened, the canopy needs to have the A-4 bulges removed from the back area and new clear panels formed, the engine nacelles did not have the fairings on the lower part of the cowl (I also think the exhausts were different in some way?), the tail was shorter I think, and the fuselage "gondola" was shaped differently. Well I suppose that is quite a bit of hacking :P . Good luck with the project if you decide to go with it . HTH Regards, Don :) Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Don Posted August 29, 2005 Share Posted August 29, 2005 Correct me if I'm wrong, didn't the Luftwaffe use the Ju-88A-1 but the only 1/48 Ju88 is the A-4? Hi there. I did some fast reading and it seems that there were some JU-88 A-5's used in the BoB. Now there would still be some conversions needed to the A-4 kit, but not as many. On the plus side, the A-5 had the same canopy as the A-4, and it had the same wing length :P . But (there always has to be that "but" huh :P ), the engines on the A-5 were the same as the A-1 (so the lower cowl bulge has to be removed), and the tail/rudder has to be converted to A-1 standards. I am not sure about the "gondola" :unsure: . So an A-5 could be made easier then an A-1. As far as BoB markings go...sorry but I have no clue :( . I am sure a quick search on the internet or flip through a good book on the BoB, or JU-88 would yield some positive results. Again, I hope this helps and sorry for the two posts. Regards, Don :) Quote Link to post Share on other sites
beaver84 Posted August 29, 2005 Share Posted August 29, 2005 Are Wellingtons, Hampdens or Whitleys allowed? Pete Quote Link to post Share on other sites
crazydon Posted August 29, 2005 Share Posted August 29, 2005 Are Wellingtons, Hampdens or Whitleys allowed?Pete Hey Pete, I just asked Doc, we're taking the stand that if it flew over the Channel from June to December 1940 its good...the object is to get guys building models...go for it Quote Link to post Share on other sites
crazydon Posted August 29, 2005 Share Posted August 29, 2005 Are Wellingtons, Hampdens or Whitleys allowed?Pete Hey Pete, I just asked Doc, we're taking the stand that if it flew over the Channel from June to December 1940 its good...the object is to get guys building models...go for it And as soon as I can remember who made those I'll add them to the list...unless Doc beats me too it...I'm having a brain fart on them right now!! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
archerwin Posted August 31, 2005 Share Posted August 31, 2005 Was Hawker Hurricane MK II included in the battle? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
crazydon Posted August 31, 2005 Share Posted August 31, 2005 (edited) Hurricane Mk II'a (8 wing MG's) started coming into service toward the end of Sept 1940, the 12 gun Mk II'bs right at the end of our time frame...Mk II'c not untill 1941.... http://www.chuckhawks.com/hawker_hurricane.htm http://www.battleofbritain.net/0010.html Edited August 31, 2005 by crazydon Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Cadfael Posted September 1, 2005 Share Posted September 1, 2005 804 Sqn FAA flew the Sea Gladiator during the BoB in defence of Scapa Flow, converting to the Martlet Mk I in Oct '40 aboard the Furious. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jrallman Posted September 2, 2005 Share Posted September 2, 2005 I have a Fujimi Bf110D on the way and was wondering if that would qualify. I know most of the 110s were C models, but I've read some unclear references that seem to indicate that D models were used towards the end of the BoB. If the D isn't ok, what changes are needed to backdate it to a C model? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
crazydon Posted September 2, 2005 Share Posted September 2, 2005 I have a Fujimi Bf110D on the way and was wondering if that would qualify. I know most of the 110s were C models, but I've read some unclear references that seem to indicate that D models were used towards the end of the BoB. If the D isn't ok, what changes are needed to backdate it to a C model? If thats the 1/48th scale kit I think the parts are there for both the C and the D...don't have one handy but thats how I remember Fujimi packing the kit... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jrallman Posted September 2, 2005 Share Posted September 2, 2005 great, the kit is in the mail bought from a fellow ARCr so I haven't had a chance to fondle the styrene yet. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
crazydon Posted September 2, 2005 Share Posted September 2, 2005 That's a kit I've had a few times and always sold it to guys wanting one...I don't remember Fujimi packaging it but as a C/D... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jrallman Posted September 2, 2005 Share Posted September 2, 2005 well, in that case, I'm in! Game on! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Mikehorrell Posted September 2, 2005 Share Posted September 2, 2005 well, in that case, I'm in! Game on! I have the Fujimi kit and it is definitel a C/D. Don't ask me what the differences are, I've got the kit packed away, but it should do both versions. FWIW Mike Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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