ElectroSoldier Posted December 31, 2005 Share Posted December 31, 2005 What would be the two best models to use as a hunter killer team from Spangdahlem? I was looking to do it in 48th scale but I might try it in 72nd because of the size. What models would be best to use to represent them? I would prefer Hasegawa kits but any would do really, I know the Italeri F-4G was wasnt bad when a little work was done on it, but what F-16 would I need? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jmel Posted December 31, 2005 Share Posted December 31, 2005 I'd go with the Hasegawa kits of both jets. Jake Quote Link to post Share on other sites
volzj Posted December 31, 2005 Share Posted December 31, 2005 Hasegawa for 72nd as well, though the F-4G will be a tough find. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ElectroSoldier Posted December 31, 2005 Author Share Posted December 31, 2005 But what build was the F-16 ? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mungo1974 Posted December 31, 2005 Share Posted December 31, 2005 (edited) just get yourself a F-16CJ kit,it'll contain everything you need to do your 'Killer' Viper..you'd just need to decide which timeframe you building 1987-early 92 would have been Blk30's ..late '92 to late '94 when the F-4's left Spang were Blk50's as they are today. Also check your ref's/tail number/date on the Blk30's as Spang had a mixed fleet fitted with both style of intake at one point ie NSI & MCID post 86-0262. cheers, Gary Edited December 31, 2005 by mungo1974 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ElectroSoldier Posted December 31, 2005 Author Share Posted December 31, 2005 I already have a SEA F-4G colour scheme so I would like to try this The most important part is the F-4 so the F-16 would need to follow the F-4 lead. As to time frame, I dont care really as long as its a TFW in grey/grey Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mungo1974 Posted December 31, 2005 Share Posted December 31, 2005 that jet 69-7582 was from just after Desert Storm and is on the AirDoc sheet,so you need to build the F-16C as a Blk30. as i said if you get the Blk50 CJ kit it'll have everything in there to do a Blk30 also. the F-16's also carried their respective sqn badges on the tail at the time,i belive the only sheet to have one(480TFS) on it is the Xtradecal sheet.although IIRC somepoint in mid'91 the 480th tail stripe changed from Red/White to Red/Gold so again you'd need to check ref's. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Mad Viper Posted January 1, 2006 Share Posted January 1, 2006 For the F-16 you also can use the Revell 1:72 F-16C kit. In some parts of the world it's hard to come by now and when you got the RoG version you get Spangdahlem decals as a option. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ElectroSoldier Posted January 2, 2006 Author Share Posted January 2, 2006 is this the hasegawa F-16CJ you were talking about ? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mungo1974 Posted January 2, 2006 Share Posted January 2, 2006 that would work! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Iron Eagle Posted January 2, 2006 Share Posted January 2, 2006 (edited) I wouldn't get that, it's more expensive. Try getting the TMOTA boxing. You can usually get it for around $8.00. Try www.rollmodels.com. EDIT: Here you go: Edited January 2, 2006 by Iron Eagle Quote Link to post Share on other sites
steveheaglemodels Posted January 2, 2006 Share Posted January 2, 2006 The Hasegawa F-16CJ is code HAD18 See http://eaglemodels.co.uk/acatalog/Hasegawa_72.html Steve Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ElectroSoldier Posted January 2, 2006 Author Share Posted January 2, 2006 Just going to get a delivered cost on that Hasegawa CJ... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ElectroSoldier Posted January 22, 2006 Author Share Posted January 22, 2006 Ive decided to go 48th scale instead. Got the F-16CJ and the decals for both the jets, no F-4G yet but will get that sometime in february. The F-16CJ kit has the AGM-88 HARM launcher radar. Would the Killer F-16 have been fitted with this radar? Also I have a 72nd Italeri F-16 Night falcon kit with the SP tail codes but it has LANTIRN pods. What should I use, the HARM radar or LANTIRN pods ? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
My AirFix Posted January 22, 2006 Share Posted January 22, 2006 You'll need the HARM Radar for SEED role.... Between, try hooking up a Tank Busting Role... LANTIRN + Mavericks! Goog Luck, My Airfix Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ElectroSoldier Posted January 22, 2006 Author Share Posted January 22, 2006 BUt did it have the radar pod when it was part of the Hunter Killer pair? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
leatherneck224 Posted January 22, 2006 Share Posted January 22, 2006 You'll need the HARM Radar for SEED role.... the correct spelling of the acronym is SEAD Suppression of Enemy Air Defence just a little military trivia for you Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Taco44 Posted January 23, 2006 Share Posted January 23, 2006 (edited) The Killer 16 from Spang was a Block 40 89-2137. It was during Allied Force so put the LANTIRN pods on it. -----------------------------------------------**EDIT**-------------------------------------------------------------- OOPS!! :unsure: ;) <_< I shoulda checked my references before I wrote. 89-2137 carried the 'RS' tailcode as it was from Ramstien AB not Spang. If you want to do a transition diorama, use the Block 50 CJ kit with the HTS pod. Anything earlier, as posted before, would be a Block 30. (I think a SEAD Rhino leading a SEAD Viper would be a really nice diorama). Edited January 23, 2006 by Taco44 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ElectroSoldier Posted January 23, 2006 Author Share Posted January 23, 2006 WHAT!!! Sorry your going to have to use the large letter version with pictures for me... I dont know anything about Block 30 or 40 or 50 or anything like that... I have the 48th scale Hasegawa F-16CJ kit [sW 20th FW] [it looks like a SEAD jet because it has AGM-88 missiles and the launch radar pod on the fusalage... Still looking for the Hasegawa F-4G [next months wages will buy that] What I want to do is make a nice little dio with an F-4G and an F-16 as they would have been about the time of ODS, where they operated as Hunter Killers. The F-4G will be in the Grey/Grey scheme as per instructions on the Xtradecal sheet HERE According to the sheet the F-16 is the C model but thats all I know about it because I know little and nothing about the F-16. I know they are all different but unless its relavent to the F-16 that got paired with the F-4G I dont need to know about it right now [its confusing enought as it is]... So do I fit the HARM radar or LANTIRN pods to it ? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
hatchet Posted January 23, 2006 Share Posted January 23, 2006 ODS Killer Vipers were the early ones (B30 has been mentioned), not B50. They didn't carry HTS (and I'm reasonably sure ASQ-213 HTS is NOT a radar. I could be wrong tho'), and I don't think they carried HARM either, but Shrike or CBUs. The external differences between B30 and B50 aren't that great, but it could be that SPang killers were early B30 machines, and had NSI 'small mouth' intakes for their GE engines. Dunno when they changed from NSI to MCID on the GE engined birds (from which serial). The F-16CJ kit gives you what you need to make an F-16C from B30/32 to B50/52 (B25 too?). Quote Link to post Share on other sites
habu2 Posted January 23, 2006 Share Posted January 23, 2006 Hatchet is correct - The Hunter/Killer concept was an F-4G "hunter" and an F-16C "killer". At that time Spang was flying early Block 30 jets (30B & 30C) which translates into NSI "small mouth" inlets with GE engines, HARM missiles but no HTS pods. Years later the HTS pod on the Block 50/52 F-16CJ effectively replaced the F-4G as the hunter (though many would argue that). Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ElectroSoldier Posted January 23, 2006 Author Share Posted January 23, 2006 So can I use the Hasegawa F-16CJ as the Killer of the pair? The instructions say engine: Block 50 (GE/F-110-GE-129) x1, Block 52 (GE/F-100-PW-229) x1 I think this means I can build either a GE F-100 or GE F-110 engine plane. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
hatchet Posted January 23, 2006 Share Posted January 23, 2006 So can I use the Hasegawa F-16CJ as the Killer of the pair?The instructions say engine: Block 50 (GE/F-110-GE-129) x1, Block 52 (GE/F-100-PW-229) x1 I think this means I can build either a GE F-100 or GE F-110 engine plane. Correct As I assumed, and h2 confirmed, the SPang killers had GE engines, but NSI intakes. Basically, you have to use the GE engine parts, but the intake parts shown for use with the P&W engine. If in doubt about which one to use, look at them side by side. There's a reason NSI is called 'small mouth' and MCID big mouth ;) Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ElectroSoldier Posted January 23, 2006 Author Share Posted January 23, 2006 I just opened the bags and looked at the 2 linlets and I do see what you mean, one is larger than the other, but not by much. In that case all i have to do is fit the engine and the small inlet... Which of the GE engines do I fit? They are both the same aprat from the exhaust. One has plates over the feathers the other doesnt. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
hatchet Posted January 23, 2006 Share Posted January 23, 2006 Erm, both of'em have feathers :D Or am I not getting you, and you mean that you have to attach the feathers yourself on one of them? The feathers on the GE are (slightly) curved, those on the P&W are straight. The GE nozzle is the one with loose feathers, which is the one you need. :blink: Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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