Deino Posted October 1, 2009 Share Posted October 1, 2009 any sprue and decal shots yet? Yeppp ... Here they are: http://www.sonicmodel.com/topicdisplay.asp...TopicID=2897411 Deino Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Fuji Posted October 1, 2009 Share Posted October 1, 2009 Yeppp ... Here they are:http://www.sonicmodel.com/topicdisplay.asp...TopicID=2897411 Deino No joy - please post a direct link to the images Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Dave Williams Posted October 1, 2009 Share Posted October 1, 2009 (edited) No joy - please post a direct link to the images Are you using Firefox? The Sonic Model forum doesn't work with Firefox for some reason. The page opens fine in IE for me. Looking at the pictures of the Trumpeter JF-17, I'm amazed how much the parts breakdown is almost identical to my Bronco kit. They aren't the same kit as the sprue layouts are vastly different, the Trump kit has more stores, and there are detail differences like the HUD being attached to the top of the IP vs. the shroud. But still, you could almost use the instructions for one kit to build the other! The fuselage breaks down the same way, both have separate flaps, slats, and rudder (all designed to be fixed in the up or neutral position), both have the same Y-shaped inlet duct instead of just going back to an empty fuselage or an engine face, both have PE for the seatbelts and the over the top corners of the IP, and so on. It's understandable that kits of the same aircraft share some similarities in breakdown; after all there is probably one optimal breakdown for a certain design, but look at kits like the RoG vs. Italeri Eurofighter or the Revell and Hasegawa Super Hornets. Some similarities in basic kit breakdown, but many detail differences. The resemblance between the JF-17 kits is uncanny. Edited October 1, 2009 by Dave Williams Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Deino Posted October 1, 2009 Share Posted October 1, 2009 No joy - please post a direct link to the images Hope this works: FC-1/JF-17: http://images.sonicalbum.com/bbs_album_29/...s/23_536312.jpg http://images.sonicalbum.com/bbs_album_29/...s/23_536315.jpg http://images.sonicalbum.com/bbs_album_29/...319.jpg　 http://images.sonicalbum.com/bbs_album_29/...s/23_536322.jpg http://images.sonicalbum.com/bbs_album_29/...s/23_536325.jpg http://images.sonicalbum.com/bbs_album_29/...s/23_536329.jpg http://images.sonicalbum.com/bbs_album_29/...s/23_536332.jpg http://images.sonicalbum.com/bbs_album_29/...334.jpg　 http://images.sonicalbum.com/bbs_album_29/...335.jpg　 http://images.sonicalbum.com/bbs_album_29/...342.jpg　 http://images.sonicalbum.com/bbs_album_29/...345.jpg　 http://images.sonicalbum.com/bbs_album_29/...351.jpg　 http://images.sonicalbum.com/bbs_album_29/...s/23_536358.jpg http://images.sonicalbum.com/bbs_album_29/...363.jpg　 http://images.sonicalbum.com/bbs_album_29/...s/23_536374.jpg http://images.sonicalbum.com/bbs_album_29/...380.jpg　 http://images.sonicalbum.com/bbs_album_29/...s/23_536381.jpg http://images.sonicalbum.com/bbs_album_29/...s/23_536383.jpg J-10A: http://images.sonicalbum.com/bbs_album_29/...s/23_536384.jpg http://images.sonicalbum.com/bbs_album_29/...s/23_536395.jpg http://images.sonicalbum.com/bbs_album_29/...405.jpg　 http://images.sonicalbum.com/bbs_album_29/...406.jpg　 http://images.sonicalbum.com/bbs_album_29/...407.jpg　 http://images.sonicalbum.com/bbs_album_29/...409.jpg　 http://images.sonicalbum.com/bbs_album_29/...415.jpg　 http://images.sonicalbum.com/bbs_album_29/...415.jpg　 http://images.sonicalbum.com/bbs_album_29/...418.jpg　 http://images.sonicalbum.com/bbs_album_29/...s/23_536420.jpg http://images.sonicalbum.com/bbs_album_29/...s/23_536422.jpg http://images.sonicalbum.com/bbs_album_29/...423.jpg　 http://images.sonicalbum.com/bbs_album_29/...s/23_536424.jpg http://images.sonicalbum.com/bbs_album_29/...s/23_536426.jpg http://images.sonicalbum.com/bbs_album_29/...s/23_536427.jpg http://images.sonicalbum.com/bbs_album_29/...s/23_536428.jpg http://images.sonicalbum.com/bbs_album_29/...429.jpg　 http://images.sonicalbum.com/bbs_album_29/...s/23_536430.jpg Deino Quote Link to post Share on other sites
rays Posted October 1, 2009 Share Posted October 1, 2009 (edited) i saw assembly guide cockpit and ejection seat assembly very detail like tamiya style i hope assembly like tamiya :lol: cheers Edited October 2, 2009 by rays Quote Link to post Share on other sites
dthank Posted October 2, 2009 Share Posted October 2, 2009 Lucky Models has them both in stock and are already shipping. I just got notification that mine are on the way! Yummy!! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jonbryon Posted October 3, 2009 Share Posted October 3, 2009 (edited) My LHS has both of these kits in stock; the J-10 is $18 and the FC-1/JF-17 is a shade over $15. Does anyone have any comments regarding accuracy? Edited October 3, 2009 by jonbryon Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Fuji Posted October 3, 2009 Share Posted October 3, 2009 My LHS has both of these kits in stock; the J-10 is $18 and the JC-1/JF-17 is a shade over $15.Does anyone have any comments regarding accuracy? They both look pretty spot on and not even the nitpickers seem to have voiced anything bad about them. I'd be all over the JF-17 and am waiting for the two-seat J-10 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jonbryon Posted October 3, 2009 Share Posted October 3, 2009 Thanks Fuji. I'm gonna wait on the JF-17 until they're operational; I'll probably pick up a J-10 next week. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Mark M. Posted October 3, 2009 Share Posted October 3, 2009 Regarding both these kits: They look pretty nice. Do they have the JF-17 in 72nd as well? I ask because I recall they DO have the J-10 in 72nd. Regarding the planes themselves... Funny I always thought the J-10 was an F-16 ripoff until I saw pictures of the LAVI, it's totally a LAVI ripoff. And the JF-17, is that supposed to be the "near stealth" or "stealthy" ripoff of the F-35 I heard about? Or is it more of an F-20 airframe modification? I really like that green paint scheme!! That alone makes it worth looking into! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
musangpulut Posted October 3, 2009 Share Posted October 3, 2009 Dang!!! The Trumpeter JF-17 is a lot much cheaper than the Bronco version! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
sv51macross Posted October 3, 2009 Share Posted October 3, 2009 Regarding both these kits: They look pretty nice. Do they have the JF-17 in 72nd as well? I ask because I recall they DO have the J-10 in 72nd.Regarding the planes themselves... Funny I always thought the J-10 was an F-16 ripoff until I saw pictures of the LAVI, it's totally a LAVI ripoff. And the JF-17, is that supposed to be the "near stealth" or "stealthy" ripoff of the F-35 I heard about? Or is it more of an F-20 airframe modification? I really like that green paint scheme!! That alone makes it worth looking into! Actually, I think the DSI's are more weight-reduction/internal-fuel-volume measures than stealth, though they probably don't hurt the RCI. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Deino Posted October 3, 2009 Share Posted October 3, 2009 Regarding both these kits: They look pretty nice. Do they have the JF-17 in 72nd as well? I ask because I recall they DO have the J-10 in 72nd. Sadly not - at least at the moment - but I think there was a rumour that Trumpeter will release one later too. Regarding the smaller J-10 I hope they will replace their old kit with a new re-scaled of both the single- and twin-seater since the older kit was relaesed when the J-10 itself wasn't officially unveiled. Regarding the planes themselves... Funny I always thought the J-10 was an F-16 ripoff until I saw pictures of the LAVI, it's totally a LAVI ripoff. And the JF-17, is that supposed to be the "near stealth" or "stealthy" ripoff of the F-35 I heard about? Or is it more of an F-20 airframe modification? I really like that green paint scheme!! That alone makes it worth looking into! Ohhh PLEASE not again that "copy-paste" theory ... I think we all know that there was "some certain foreign influence" (as quoted by the J-10's chief designer) but it's surely not a 100% copy or rip-off. Just compare the wings, the canards, the tail, the intake, the hunchback of the rear/centre-fuselage + esp. the engine's diameter. I would agree that the J-10 made just the same development from the Lavi like the F/A-18E isn't a ripp-off of the YF-17. ... and for the JF-17 just look here: http://www.arcforums.com/forums/air/index....howtopic=193552 Cheers, Deino Quote Link to post Share on other sites
a4s4eva Posted October 3, 2009 Share Posted October 3, 2009 Regarding both these kits: They look pretty nice. Do they have the JF-17 in 72nd as well? I ask because I recall they DO have the J-10 in 72nd.Regarding the planes themselves... Funny I always thought the J-10 was an F-16 ripoff until I saw pictures of the LAVI, it's totally a LAVI ripoff. And the JF-17, is that supposed to be the "near stealth" or "stealthy" ripoff of the F-35 I heard about? Or is it more of an F-20 airframe modification? I really like that green paint scheme!! That alone makes it worth looking into! It's totally NOT a Lavi ripoff. There is a good article in one of the recent IAPR's that pokes larges holes in that theory. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Deino Posted October 3, 2009 Share Posted October 3, 2009 It's totally NOT a Lavi ripoff.There is a good article in one of the recent IAPR's that pokes larges holes in that theory. Thanks a lot !!! ... this one was written by me and for the next issue the J-10B is planned in a short debrief ! Cheers, Deino Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Matt Roberts Posted October 3, 2009 Author Share Posted October 3, 2009 That is a curse for those of us in the peanut gallery when we discuss aircraft. To me the J-10 looks 'influenced' by the Lavi, just like the JF-17 looks like a mismash of F-5/F-20/Mig/ and seven secret herbs and spices. Look at the discussion on the 'new' Indian stealth fighter up in real aviation. The thing looks like a single tailed raptor and the discussion covers 'did they copy it' or not as much as anything else. I think that especially in aircraft form follows function and seldom is there a complete break with the past, like a new P-38 Lightning, to show what could be done with a clean sheet of paper. Most of the forward canard fighters could be said to be influenced by the others, Eurofighter, Rafale, J-10, and thier predecessors all looked alike at some stage of thier public knowledge. Look at how you could say the Su-27 and F-15 are copied from each other, it was just that the basic form was dictated by the needs of thier respective air forces and even there the basic pupose of the Eagle and Flanker differed (air superiority versus long range interceptor) But still they look alike to the untrained eye. The IAPR article on the Dragon was a great piece of reporting and I have also enjoyed the other Chinese avaition project reports that have followed. I think we should credit the Chinese with coming up with a new fighter that may be able to stand on it's own with the wests fighters, lets just never see that happen. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Matt Roberts Posted October 8, 2009 Author Share Posted October 8, 2009 (edited) Here is a build article on the Bronco JF-17 from down in the "In Progress' board. It is a great looking build with some prototype pics and it's in the Pakistani 'show bird' scheme (Green, White and Red). I'm linking so those interested in the JF-17 will know it's there. http://www.arcforums.com/forums/air/index....howtopic=188021 Very nicely done, Alph Matt Edited October 8, 2009 by Matt Roberts Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jonbryon Posted October 8, 2009 Share Posted October 8, 2009 I picked up the latest edition of a Chinese modelling mag yesterday - "Model World" 模型世界. My ability to read Chinese is limited at the moment, and working on a meaningful translation will take me some time, but in their build article of the Trumpeter 1/72 J-10, I note the following: 1. They show several pictures of the model alongside a 1/72 model of the Lavi. So at least they're making some comment on the similarity between them (although I can't yet tell what that comment is). 2. As far as I can tell, the builder used what looks like aftermarket for the intake, seat, exhaust, and possibly the nose cone. Any Chinese modellers out there who've read the article know if the author is saying these areas are inaccurate? If so, have these inaccuracies been carried over to the 1/48 version? When I get round to it, I'll sit down with a dictionary and try to figure the problem out. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Deino Posted October 8, 2009 Share Posted October 8, 2009 I picked up the latest edition of a Chinese modelling mag yesterday - "Model World" 模型世界. My ability to read Chinese is limited at the moment, and working on a meaningful translation will take me some time, but in their build article of the Trumpeter 1/72 J-10, I note the following:1. They show several pictures of the model alongside a 1/72 model of the Lavi. So at least they're making some comment on the similarity between them (although I can't yet tell what that comment is). 2. As far as I can tell, the builder used what looks like aftermarket for the intake, seat, exhaust, and possibly the nose cone. Any Chinese modellers out there who've read the article know if the author is saying these areas are inaccurate? If so, have these inaccuracies been carried over to the 1/48 version? When I get round to it, I'll sit down with a dictionary and try to figure the problem out. Hi ... I think You were speaking about this guy and his models: http://blog.sina.com.cn/s/blog_5f6ff8c90100cmxp.html Deino Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jonbryon Posted October 8, 2009 Share Posted October 8, 2009 That's the one. What does he say? Do you think the 1/48 J-10 is ok? I don't have the spare cash to buy one and find out it's somewhat off... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JackMan Posted October 8, 2009 Share Posted October 8, 2009 Hi ... I think You were speaking about this guy and his models:http://blog.sina.com.cn/s/blog_5f6ff8c90100cmxp.html Deino Forget the J-10. Did you see his awesome IDF Ching Kuo? http://blog.sina.com.cn/s/blog_5f6ff8c90100cfgv.html And where did he get the 1/72 JF-17? http://blog.sina.com.cn/s/blog_5f6ff8c90100cfyb.html Anybody who understands Chinese please translate where he got it from? Any In-Progress reports? Thanks in Advance. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
brahio Posted October 8, 2009 Share Posted October 8, 2009 BTW, Lucky Model has Bronco's 1:48 JF-17 at stock also. http://www.luckymodel.com/scale.aspx?item_no=BRO%20FB4001 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
a4s4eva Posted October 8, 2009 Share Posted October 8, 2009 (edited) Thanks a lot !!! ... this one was written by me and for the next issue the J-10B is planned in a short debrief !Cheers, Deino Pleasure Deino. It was a nice bit of work. Edited October 8, 2009 by a4s4eva Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Deino Posted October 8, 2009 Share Posted October 8, 2009 Forget the J-10. Did you see his awesome IDF Ching Kuo?http://blog.sina.com.cn/s/blog_5f6ff8c90100cfgv.html And where did he get the 1/72 JF-17? http://blog.sina.com.cn/s/blog_5f6ff8c90100cfyb.html Anybody who understands Chinese please translate where he got it from? Any In -Progress reports? Thanks in Advance. Yes ... but currently at the sonic-forum there's another build which is even more crazy !! http://www.sonicmodel.com/topicdisplay.asp...TopicID=2527929 Sadly this JF-17 isn't a kit, but as far as I've heard a die-cast metal-model. These two J-8's are also interesting: http://www.sonicmodel.com/topicdisplay.asp...TopicID=2904432 Pleasure Deino. It was a nice bit of work. Thanks again ! Deino Quote Link to post Share on other sites
musangpulut Posted October 9, 2009 Share Posted October 9, 2009 Since Luckymodel have both kit on sale and at the same price. Guys, please help me to decide, which one is the better kit, Bronco or the Trumpeter one? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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