Dutch Posted December 2, 2020 Share Posted December 2, 2020 (edited) Great find! Perhaps the emergency egress page from the RA-5C NATOPS manual will also help? Edited December 2, 2020 by Dutch Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ben Brown Posted December 3, 2020 Share Posted December 3, 2020 (edited) Maybe contact the artist (LINK) to see if he has access to the stencil manual for the Vig. There's one for the F-4 available online, so I would imagine there's one out there for the A-5, too. I found the A-5A NATOPS a while back on Ron Downey's Aviation Archive blog. Download links: A-5A Feb. 1964 A-5A May 1965 I just looked through both, and there's nothing showing the canopy stencils. Ben Edited December 3, 2020 by Ben Brown Quote Link to post Share on other sites
KursadA Posted December 3, 2020 Author Share Posted December 3, 2020 I think the drawing that Sean found may be correct for the rear canopy, because the sticker only appears on the Vigilantes that actually have a red line around the rear of the transparency. I am not sure about what the front one says, though. Some of the other markings on the artist's drawings are definitely inaccurate. We will keep it an open question until we can find a definitive answer - and I will post two new problems today. I already bought the whole gamut of publicly available A-5 manuals from Airwing Media - while they are full of fascinating details, they don't cover the meaning of these markings or any other stencilling. I am sure there is a Navair or North American manual on the markings/stencilling specs somewhere. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ben Brown Posted December 3, 2020 Share Posted December 3, 2020 Going by the F-4 manual numbering system, I think the RA-5C should be something like NAVAIR 01-60abc-2-2.1, but I don't see it listed on any of the aircraft manual web sites. Ben Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Dutch Posted December 3, 2020 Share Posted December 3, 2020 (edited) Ben, According to the larger yellow block in the print provided by Sean above, it should be NAVAIR 01-60ABC-2-23. Edited December 5, 2020 by Dutch spelling Quote Link to post Share on other sites
82Whitey51 Posted December 5, 2020 Share Posted December 5, 2020 (edited) On 12/3/2020 at 2:14 PM, Dutch said: Ben, According to the larger yellow block in the print provided by Sean above, it should be NAVAIR 01-60abc-2-2.23. NAS Pax has a tech library on base. I can go and check sometime this week. The Pax Museum has a decent collection of NATOPS manuals but often time the NATOPS doesn't show actual stenciling...just procedure. -2-2 manuals are definitely the technical markings manuals. Edited December 5, 2020 by 82Whitey51 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Dutch Posted December 5, 2020 Share Posted December 5, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, 82Whitey51 said: NAS Pax has a tech library on base. I can go and check sometime this week. The Pax Museum has a decent collection of NATOPS manuals but often time the NATOPS doesn't show actual stenciling...just procedure. -2-2 manuals are definitely the technical markings manuals. Andy, Isn't there a RA-5C parked out by the front gate of NATC Pax River? I seem to remember one the last time I was there. I know there is one on a rather large concrete pillar at the old NAS Sanford, now Sanford Int'l Airport in Florida [28.7647239, -81.2375832]. I have't been over that way for a couple of years now. It may be worth a diversion on the way to/from Daytona Beach later this month. K/r, Dutch Edited December 5, 2020 by Dutch Quote Link to post Share on other sites
habu2 Posted December 5, 2020 Share Posted December 5, 2020 32 minutes ago, Dutch said: Andy, Isn't there a RA-5C parked out by the front gate of NATC Pax River? There is, and I looked at my pics a couple of days ago. It does not have similar canopy markings. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
82Whitey51 Posted December 6, 2020 Share Posted December 6, 2020 22 hours ago, habu2 said: There is, and I looked at my pics a couple of days ago. It does not have similar canopy markings. Yup, as Dutch said, there is one there but those birds are quite weathered. There is also an A3J-1 (A-5A) in the back of the base on a stick but I don't think it has these markings either...I'll drive by and take a look either way. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
82Whitey51 Posted December 11, 2020 Share Posted December 11, 2020 (edited) On 12/6/2020 at 10:09 AM, 82Whitey51 said: Yup, as Dutch said, there is one there but those birds are quite weathered. There is also an A3J-1 (A-5A) in the back of the base on a stick but I don't think it has these markings either...I'll drive by and take a look either way. Well, I went by the base technical library today and it is currently closed 😕 because of COVID. I'm not sure they'd have any pubs going back that far anyway but I still would have liked to ask. I didn't have the time to drive by the A3J-1 on the pedestal in front of the VX-23/STRIKE hangar but I have an appointment for work over there on Monday and I'll go reconn that one. Edited December 11, 2020 by 82Whitey51 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
eraucubsfan Posted December 11, 2020 Share Posted December 11, 2020 11 minutes ago, 82Whitey51 said: Well, I went by the base technical library today and it is currently closed 😕 because of COVID. I'm not sure they'd have any pubs going back that far anyway but I still would have liked to ask. I didn't have the time to drive by the A3J-1 on the pedestal in front of the VX-23/STRIKE hangar but I have an appointment for work over there on Monday and I'll go reconn that one. If you cant make it by Whitey, let me know I can cruise by and take a look too Quote Link to post Share on other sites
82Whitey51 Posted December 11, 2020 Share Posted December 11, 2020 2 minutes ago, eraucubsfan said: If you cant make it by Whitey, let me know I can cruise by and take a look too Alright. If you're over there today maybe swing by and have a look. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
eraucubsfan Posted December 11, 2020 Share Posted December 11, 2020 18 minutes ago, 82Whitey51 said: Alright. If you're over there today maybe swing by and have a look. I don't know if I can, I'm swamped today. This airshow won't fly itself Quote Link to post Share on other sites
82Whitey51 Posted December 11, 2020 Share Posted December 11, 2020 32 minutes ago, eraucubsfan said: I don't know if I can, I'm swamped today. This airshow won't fly itself Airshow...are we planning an airshow?? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
KursadA Posted December 11, 2020 Author Share Posted December 11, 2020 (edited) I really appreciate it, folks - we all know how bad it is outside, so please do not go anywhere to look for manuals unless it is part of your daily routine. Here are two new problems - enjoy: Problem #3: Since you have done it for the McConnell unit, perhaps you can help me get a better B-1B tail band photo for the 319BW jets that were at Grand Forks? I have a photo from a KC-135 that is close enough, but I could really use a good B-1B tail band photo for this unit. Problem #4: I would like to include markings for a Vietnam War EA-1F in the upcoming Vietnam Navy Skyraiders sheet. While these aircraft had a very important role, their markings were rather drab - about the most colorful option is the markings of VAW-33 Det. 11 that deployed aboard USS Intrepid in their 1967 cruise. These have the "Tonkin Gulf Yacht Club" badge on them, and carried the 60x modex numbers. Unfortunately the only photos I could find are one from the Web and another one from the cruise book that show 132591. These fuzzy photos show most of what I need, but I could really use better photos of these aircraft, preferably showing the tail band markings. Certainly there are more photos of these aircraft somewhere - can you help find them? Edited December 11, 2020 by KursadA Quote Link to post Share on other sites
eraucubsfan Posted December 11, 2020 Share Posted December 11, 2020 20 minutes ago, 82Whitey51 said: Airshow...are we planning an airshow?? Negative (at least that I am aware), just the one in my office Quote Link to post Share on other sites
habu2 Posted December 12, 2020 Share Posted December 12, 2020 7 hours ago, KursadA said: Problem #3: Since you have done it for the McConnell unit, perhaps you can help me get a better B-1B tail band photo for the 319BW jets that were at Grand Forks? I have a photo from a KC-135 that is close enough, but I could really use a good B-1B tail band photo for this unit. Do you have access to a publication called Flightline? A magazine by Arnold Swannberg back in the mid-late 80s... I swear these pics triggered a serious deja vu for me but I’d have to dig really deep into storage to find them. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Gator52 Posted December 12, 2020 Share Posted December 12, 2020 (edited) Here's the best I have for #3...taken during the ACC era, don't know that the sunflake changed much over the years if at all: Hope this helps- Chris Edited December 12, 2020 by Gator52 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Dutch Posted December 12, 2020 Share Posted December 12, 2020 (edited) Jonah! You nailed the Sunflake logo! I think that Kursad could use it for the 319th KC-135A as well. K/r, Dutch Edited December 13, 2020 by Dutch Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Tomcat Trebor Posted December 13, 2020 Share Posted December 13, 2020 (edited) Here is another VAW-33 EA-1F with 7xx modex which the first two pictures above appear to have http://www.airwar.ru/image/idop/spy/ea1f/ea1f-5.jpg . Also here is one where when you you at the higher resolution picture on the tail they look like mini lightning bolts creating a cross Regards Robert Edited December 15, 2020 by Tomcat Trebor Quote Link to post Share on other sites
KursadA Posted December 14, 2020 Author Share Posted December 14, 2020 On 12/12/2020 at 4:21 PM, Gator52 said: Here's the best I have for #3...taken during the ACC era, don't know that the sunflake changed much over the years if at all: We have a winner - thanks for helping out with this one, please send me a PM with the decal sheet you would like to receive - thanks! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
82Whitey51 Posted December 14, 2020 Share Posted December 14, 2020 On 12/11/2020 at 1:37 PM, 82Whitey51 said: I didn't have the time to drive by the A3J-1 on the pedestal in front of the VX-23/STRIKE hangar but I have an appointment for work over there on Monday and I'll go reconn that one. OK, I went over to VX-23/STRIKE today to get a look at the A3J-1 (A-5A)...and there are no stencils on that aircraft. So no joy on the canopy markings. I have a contact that flew and wrote books on the A-5 Vigilante who may have an answer or documentation on the markings. Stand by. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Charlie D. Posted December 15, 2020 Share Posted December 15, 2020 EA-1F pics are hard to come by, in my half dozen skyraider books there are all of 4 pics. Maybe you can find something useful here! I can email larger versions if there is something there you can use. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Charlie D. Posted December 15, 2020 Share Posted December 15, 2020 Last one... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Corey Posted December 15, 2020 Share Posted December 15, 2020 There are a ton of VAW-33 EA-1 photos in this Angelo Romano book, but only one of Det 11 and it’s the same photo that Tomcat Trebor linked in his post. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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