southwestforests Posted August 14, 2023 Share Posted August 14, 2023 Wonder who foots the bill for replacing the cars it crashed on at Waverly on the Lake Apartments there in Belleville? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Helmsman Posted August 14, 2023 Author Share Posted August 14, 2023 Insurance I'd guess. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
southwestforests Posted August 14, 2023 Share Posted August 14, 2023 Having your automobile suddenly destroyed is a huge issue in this society structured the way it is. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
habu2 Posted August 14, 2023 Share Posted August 14, 2023 1 hour ago, southwestforests said: Having your automobile suddenly destroyed is a huge issue in this society structured the way it is. ????? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Helmsman Posted August 14, 2023 Author Share Posted August 14, 2023 1 hour ago, southwestforests said: Having your automobile suddenly destroyed is a huge issue in this society structured the way it is. Isn't the same happens daily in cars accidents? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Da SWO Posted August 14, 2023 Share Posted August 14, 2023 2 hours ago, Helmsman said: Insurance I'd guess. Planes owner and your insurance company work it out. 1 hour ago, Helmsman said: Isn't the same happens daily in cars accidents? Yeah, but still a significant financial hit as you are without a vehicle for a week or so. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Helmsman Posted August 14, 2023 Author Share Posted August 14, 2023 This is usually compensated by insurance. Worse thing is that usually new car is more expensive, than insurance pays. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Alternative 4 Posted August 14, 2023 Share Posted August 14, 2023 3 hours ago, Helmsman said: This is usually compensated by insurance. Worse thing is that usually new car is more expensive, than insurance pays. Do I get to keep the Mig-23 that destroyed my car? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Helmsman Posted August 14, 2023 Author Share Posted August 14, 2023 I don't mind if you do. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ya-gabor Posted August 14, 2023 Share Posted August 14, 2023 There is no point in speculating about the cause of the accident. Only the pilot Dan „Files” Filer will be able to tell the true story and of course the accident investigation. He is a good pilot and this ex Czech MiG-23UB was the apple of his eye. Actually there are two others in his hangar and one is near to get all papers. One hopes that this sort of thing will never happen but aviation is a dangerous business. It is luck that no one on the ground was injured or killed, but it is true professionalism that the two on board escaped from the plane! I look at the story from a different perspective. Hats down to the pilot and his team for maintenance of the plane and of the escape system!!! Both seats worked as they should in every way! All ejection sequences functioned perfectly. This is only due to perfect technical condition and excellent maintenance! The KM-1M seats are a very complex ejection machinery which require a lot of constant care, just as the parachute system. And here it all worked as it should! It is sad to see that many other pilots in similar “veteran” aircraft and their passengers have died because maintenance of escape systems was neglected! Best regards Gabor Quote Link to post Share on other sites
habu2 Posted August 14, 2023 Share Posted August 14, 2023 I may have photos of this jet when it was at Lancaster Airport in Texas a couple of years ago, I'll have to search my files. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
zerosystem Posted August 18, 2023 Share Posted August 18, 2023 Was at the show, was very shocking to see but can't tell you how happy I am that nobody was injured. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
FAR148 Posted August 18, 2023 Share Posted August 18, 2023 10 hours ago, zerosystem said: Was at the show, was very shocking to see but can't tell you how happy I am that nobody was injured. Same here. Steven Quote Link to post Share on other sites
zerosystem Posted August 19, 2023 Share Posted August 19, 2023 On 8/18/2023 at 8:51 AM, FAR148 said: Same here. Steven How did your chair shots turn out? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
FAR148 Posted August 20, 2023 Share Posted August 20, 2023 13 hours ago, zerosystem said: How did your chair shots turn out? Great! Was able to shoot over everyone's heads. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Scooby Posted August 20, 2023 Share Posted August 20, 2023 This jet had an incident at Oshkosh a week earlier, it lost the passenger side canopy while flying. A friend of mine photographed returning to the airfield with the missing canopy. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
tomthegrom Posted August 21, 2023 Share Posted August 21, 2023 I thought that was an l39 that lost a canopy? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ya-gabor Posted August 21, 2023 Share Posted August 21, 2023 It was an L-39 Albatros which "lost" its front canopy, it’s not part of Dan Filers fleet of aircraft. Best regards Gabor Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Scooby Posted August 21, 2023 Share Posted August 21, 2023 8 hours ago, ya-gabor said: It was an L-39 Albatros which "lost" its front canopy, it’s not part of Dan Filers fleet of aircraft. Best regards Gabor The Mig-23 lost half of its front canopy (not passenger as I originally stated) in the air at Oshkosh, I have images of it losing it in flight as well as when it landed after the canopy was lost. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ya-gabor Posted August 21, 2023 Share Posted August 21, 2023 15 hours ago, tomthegrom said: I thought that was an l39 that lost a canopy? It was an L-39 which lost its front canopy at the show. So this part of the statement is right! ? Did the MiG-23UB also have an issue with the canopy? Based on the above photos, yes it did! So it seems that a lot of veteran ex East European birds are losing canopies. : ) : ) : ) It is my bad, did not know about this, but seen the Albatros "shedding" the front canopy. They were very lucky in both cases! As for the accident at Thunder over Michingan. The canopy issue, if they had such before was certainly not part/cause of Sundays crash. The fact that the ejection seats worked perfectly as designed is a tribute to excellent maintenance by the owner! Unfortunately many veteran jets fly with seats which are not operational!!! : ( : ( : ( It costs a lot of money to keep them fully in order! Some try to save on costs. Best regards Gabor Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Scooby Posted August 21, 2023 Share Posted August 21, 2023 1 hour ago, ya-gabor said: It was an L-39 which lost its front canopy at the show. So this part of the statement is right! ? Did the MiG-23UB also have an issue with the canopy? Based on the above photos, yes it did! So it seems that a lot of veteran ex East European birds are losing canopies. : ) : ) : ) It is my bad, did not know about this, but seen the Albatros "shedding" the front canopy. They were very lucky in both cases! As for the accident at Thunder over Michingan. The canopy issue, if they had such before was certainly not part/cause of Sundays crash. The fact that the ejection seats worked perfectly as designed is a tribute to excellent maintenance by the owner! Unfortunately many veteran jets fly with seats which are not operational!!! : ( : ( : ( It costs a lot of money to keep them fully in order! Some try to save on costs. Best regards Gabor I didn’t say the other incident didn’t occur. During my last 8 years in the airforce I was an aviation accident investigator. I can assure you the investigation team will be looking at all previous incidents to see if there are any factors that could have led up to this accident. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ya-gabor Posted August 22, 2023 Share Posted August 22, 2023 It will be interesting to see the result of the investigation! If it will be public in any form. Usually one only will see the news of the crash when it happens, but after that . . . Tried to follow any fresh news but the only comment few days latter was about a reported engine problem. There were some TV news reports, in one there weere images of the crashed tail section with the front of the engine. The first stage blades had minimal damage! How is the crew? What did they say? Best regards Gabor Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Mfezi Posted August 25, 2023 Share Posted August 25, 2023 On 8/22/2023 at 8:10 AM, ya-gabor said: It will be interesting to see the result of the investigation! If it will be public in any form. Usually one only will see the news of the crash when it happens, but after that . . . Tried to follow any fresh news but the only comment few days latter was about a reported engine problem. There were some TV news reports, in one there weere images of the crashed tail section with the front of the engine. The first stage blades had minimal damage! How is the crew? What did they say? Best regards Gabor The preliminary report has been published. Interestingly, the pilot said he was still troubleshooting and not ready to eject, when the back-seater decided to initiate the ejection sequence: https://aviation-safety.net/wikibase/343511 Quote On August 13, about 1515 eastern daylight time, a Mikoyan Gurevich Mig 23UB, N23UB, was destroyed when it was involved in an accident near Belleville, Michigan. The pilot and pilot rated observer received minor injuries. The airplane was operated as a Title 14 Code of Federal Regulations Part 91 airshow exhibition flight. The flight was performing at the “Thunder over Michigan Airshow” held at the Willow Run Airport (YIP), Ypsilanti, Michigan. The accident flight was scheduled to be the second to last act. The accident airplane was a privately owned Russian designed military fighter airplane that employed variable geometry wings that allowed the wing sweep angle to be changed in-flight. The airplane was powered by a single turbojet engine with afterburner capability. The pilot reported that the flight departed from runway 23 at YIP, followed by a right turn to a “banana pass” (a low-level knife edge pass) along runway 23. Following the pass, he started banking the airplane and noticed that the engine afterburner did not ignite, and the airspeed began to decrease. He brought the swing wings into the fully forward position (16° sweep) to increase lift and began troubleshooting the problem. He was actively troubleshooting when the rear seat observer stated that they needed to eject. The pilot reported that he was not ready to eject and was still troubleshooting the problem and maneuvering the airplane toward runway 27 at YIP when his ejection seat fired, and he was out of the airplane. He stated that if either occupant pulls the ejection handle, both seats eject. The rear seat observer stated that the airplane made a pass along the runway and the plan was to go to the left for another pass followed by a landing. He stated that the engine was not accelerating. He and the pilot had a brief discussion and began to climb up and gain altitude. They determined that they had some type of engine problem and needed to get back on the ground. He stated that they determined they did not have sufficient altitude to make it to a runway at the airport. He said they were compressed for time and needed to get out. When asked if he had pulled the ejection seat handles, he stated that he could not specifically remember but thinks that he would have pulled them. Video evidence indicated that the airplane was in a left bank when the ejection seats fired. The airplane continued in the left bank and descended into the ground about 1 mile south of the approach end of runway 27 at YIP. The wreckage path was about 600 ft. long on a heading of about 35°. There was a postimpact explosion and fire. The fuselage section that contained the tail surfaces and engine came to rest adjacent to an apartment building. The remainder of the airplane was fragmented and distributed along the wreckage path. There were no reported injuries on the ground. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ya-gabor Posted August 25, 2023 Share Posted August 25, 2023 Hi Mfezi Thanks for the link and the information! Best regards Gabor Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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