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Here is a bit of excellent news for anyone interested in 72nd scale. Modelsvit already had a long line of excellent kits of the swing wing Su-17 family. They are real gems! Modelsvit did promise few years ago to go all the way to the last operational version, the Su-17/22 M4. 

At last here it is. Just look at the amount of detail in that cockpit! Remember this is "just" 72nd scale!!!

 

Dear friends and business partners,

Many of you have been waiting for a decent, 3D designed, highly detailed 1/72 kit of Su-17/22M4 (S-54/ S-54K, "Fitter-K").

Well, finally we made it!

So excited to share Test-shots of forthcoming:
-Su-17M4 (art.No: 72058), expected in 2 liveries of Ukrainian A.F.;
-Su-22M4 (art.No: 72059) in 3 liveries : Syrian, German and Czech Air Forces;

Stay tuned for further product information!

 

Just hope that they will eventualy do the Su-22M3 with Tumansky engine also which was promissed many years ago! But for the moment I will be happy with the M4! 

 

Best regards

Gabor

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Gabor, thanks for the news! I've been waiting for years for the M-4. I thought it would be a simple modification of the M-3, but this looks like something else!

 

I still remember 5 April 1994, when the 20th Regiment pulled back to Russia from the former GDR. What a day that was.. An huge airbase, lots of shelters, 35 to 40 Su 17M-4 with four fuel tanks on the flightline, starting up, racing over the taxiways (way faster than I was used to with NATO a/c), leaving in pairs or fours, with the afterburners kicking in with a huge bang. I was wearing earplugs and ear defenders, combined 🙂 Here's one photo, by Stefan Goossens

 

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Against a threatening sky, Su 17M-4 coded 41 waiting on the Templin flight line for its last flight over German soil. The unit relocated to Taganrog that day.

 

Rob

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12 hours ago, Rob de Bie said:

Gabor, thanks for the news! I've been waiting for years for the M-4. I thought it would be a simple modification of the M-3, but this looks like something else!

 

I still remember 5 April 1994, when the 20th Regiment pulled back to Russia from the former GDR. What a day that was.. An huge airbase, lots of shelters, 35 to 40 Su 17M-4 with four fuel tanks on the flightline, starting up, racing over the taxiways (way faster than I was used to with NATO a/c), leaving in pairs or fours, with the afterburners kicking in with a huge bang. I was wearing earplugs and ear defenders, combined 🙂 Here's one photo, by Stefan Goossens

 

su17-01.jpg

 

Against a threatening sky, Su 17M-4 coded 41 waiting on the Templin flight line for its last flight over German soil. The unit relocated to Taganrog that day.

 

Rob

 

 

Hi Rob,

 

It was the same here. The first and the very last opportunity to get on a Soviet base with a camera (officially) in Hungary was when they left the country, very last flight out. Long line of MiG-29 9-13's, Su-24's, Su-17's, MiG-27's . . . at different bases.

 

Best regards

Gabor

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On 4/7/2024 at 12:46 PM, ya-gabor said:

It was the same here. The first and the very last opportunity to get on a Soviet base with a camera (officially) in Hungary was when they left the country, very last flight out. Long line of MiG-29 9-13's, Su-24's, Su-17's, MiG-27's . . . at different bases.

 

Ah yes, of course! That made me remember I corresponded quite a bit with Karoly Vandor from Hungary, who lived near Kunmadaras air base, and maintained a small museum back then. I even made a web page about it on my long-abandoned 'The Russian Air Force in East Germany' website:

 

https://robdebie.home.xs4all.nl/vvs-ddr/kunmadar.htm

 

The page's layout reflects what was fashionable those days. It hurts my eyes, but I can't delete it..

 

Rob

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Hi Rob,

 

The museum is still there and Karoly is doing a lot of work on it. They did have a completely renovated MiG-21bis but eventually the four owners (Karoly was not one of them) had some issues and it is now located next to the main international airport in Budapest. Well it is a "Park" for (mainly) Malev Hungarian Airlines aircraft but they found a little space for the MiG-21 bis there, so it is possible to visit.

 

In the museum at Berekfürdő now they have a MiG-21 MF. Dont know how far the restoration went, but it also should look good eventually. With the Bis I gave them original photos, marking sizes and most important the very special "Teflon Grey" colour for the airframe. Karoly made reproduction of all the stencils, they are perfect!!!

 

Back to the subject. It would have been nice to have there a Su-17M4 but since we did not have those. . .

 

Just hope that for Moson show very shortly someone will bring one of the Modelsvit Su-17M4's. I know from speaking to the company that they will not be able to attend the show this year but still hope that somehow one kit will turn up!

 

Best regards

Gabor 

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Good to see it's finally here. And with what kind of details! Modelsvit just gets better and better with every release. I was already impressed with the Fishbed F-13 and in some respect with the Tu-22, but the surface details on this are just beautiful - not to mention the cockpit back wall. I really like how they've executed the wing fences. Never seen it done like that.

 

 

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19 hours ago, janman said:

Good to see it's finally here. And with what kind of details! Modelsvit just gets better and better with every release. I was already impressed with the Fishbed F-13 and in some respect with the Tu-22, but the surface details on this are just beautiful - not to mention the cockpit back wall. I really like how they've executed the wing fences. Never seen it done like that.

 

 

they did that fence design on their earlier 17s and from my experience with the M3, it might not be the best solution. I remember I had quite some clean up to do.

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23 hours ago, ya-gabor said:

The museum is still there and Karoly is doing a lot of work on it. They did have a completely renovated MiG-21bis but eventually the four owners (Karoly was not one of them) had some issues and it is now located next to the main international airport in Budapest. Well it is a "Park" for (mainly) Malev Hungarian Airlines aircraft but they found a little space for the MiG-21 bis there, so it is possible to visit.

 

In the museum at Berekfürdő now they have a MiG-21 MF. Dont know how far the restoration went, but it also should look good eventually. With the Bis I gave them original photos, marking sizes and most important the very special "Teflon Grey" colour for the airframe. Karoly made reproduction of all the stencils, they are perfect!!!

 

That is so nice to hear! I think I found their website, but my internet security blocks it.

 

Rob

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On 4/9/2024 at 10:49 AM, Sebastijan said:

they did that fence design on their earlier 17s and from my experience with the M3, it might not be the best solution. I remember I had quite some clean up to do.

Yeah, of course there was a caveat here... 🙂 As a concept it looked promising but reality is another thing.

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On 4/9/2024 at 9:47 AM, mario krijan said:

Great adition from Modelsvit! Hungary have M3 but with engine from M4? even in those days M4 was avaliable, but Hungary get M3? 

Just an educated guess. I think it was because of engine fleet maintenance rationalization. Hungary had MiG-23s that used the Klimov engine used in the Su-22M and Su-22M3. Using the M4 would have required maintaining also a Lyulka engine fleet. Gabor could probably confirm or infirm.

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1 hour ago, Laurent said:

Just an educated guess. I think it was because of engine fleet maintenance rationalization. Hungary had MiG-23s that used the Klimov engine used in the Su-22M and Su-22M3. Using the M4 would have required maintaining also a Lyulka engine fleet. Gabor could probably confirm or infirm.

Hi Laurent,

 

Yes, it is a rumour never officially confirmed. The problem really is that the Tumansky engine in the MiG-23MF and that in the Su-22M3 are not the same and not interchangeable!!!! They are a different sub version of it.

It is still a mystery! But the fact is that we had the Su-22M3 (with Tumansky engine) which is a completely different aircraft from the Su-17/22 M3 with Ljulka engine. So one requires a brand new fuselage for the Tumansky engine version!

 

Lets hope that eventually Modelsvit will make it as promised many years ago. I am amazed that in view of the bloody war going on both Modelsvit, ICM, Clear Props and many other Ukrainian manufacturers are still capable of high quality production!!!

 

Best regards

Gabor

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Love the Su-22's, but personally I have wondered for years why there are no new kits of the Su-7 in 1/48 scale.  I have thought about cross kitting the Trumpeter Su-9 fuselage and stabs with the wings from the old Su-7 kit produced in the CZ republic, then ESCI.  Kind of gives the look, but know there are a ton of detail differences. 

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