kap64 Posted July 14, 2015 Share Posted July 14, 2015 These showed up today. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Jennings Posted July 14, 2015 Share Posted July 14, 2015 Cool! It still astounds me that they created a clean-sheet design for that mission. The cost had to be astronomical given the tiny number that will ever be built. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
riffraff Posted July 14, 2015 Share Posted July 14, 2015 They must be heading over to RIAT. There is supposed to be a couple of them there next weekend. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
pollie Posted July 14, 2015 Share Posted July 14, 2015 Cool! It still astounds me that they created a clean-sheet design for that mission. The cost had to be astronomical given the tiny number that will ever be built. In order to cut the astronomical costs they are promoting the type now, hence the participation of these two in RIAT in the UK. The type does share many common parts with the C-2 cargo a/c, making it somewhat cheaper..... But despite the cost the P-1 allegedly is offered for a lower price than the P-8, believe it or not.... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Flankerman Posted July 14, 2015 Share Posted July 14, 2015 Both have now arrived at RAF Fairford, UK - to participate in RIAT 2015. Ken Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Jennings Posted July 14, 2015 Share Posted July 14, 2015 I wonder what the capabilities are vs. the P-8? I find it hard to believe they're a lot cheaper than a P-8, plus they'll be MUCH more expensive to maintain, given the near zero logistic train that exists outside of Japan compared to the world wide ubiquitousess of the 737-800/P-8. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
82Whitey51 Posted July 14, 2015 Share Posted July 14, 2015 Cool...I want one in '72nd scale! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DutyCat Posted July 14, 2015 Share Posted July 14, 2015 It almost looks like they hacked the front off of a P-3. forward of the wings. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
TaiidanTomcat Posted July 14, 2015 Share Posted July 14, 2015 Glad you got pictures Kap, probably not one you will see everyday Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Koen L Posted July 14, 2015 Share Posted July 14, 2015 I wonder what the capabilities are vs. the P-8? I find it hard to believe they're a lot cheaper than a P-8, plus they'll be MUCH more expensive to maintain, given the near zero logistic train that exists outside of Japan compared to the world wide ubiquitousess of the 737-800/P-8. According to an article I read the other day 140 million for a P-1, 250 million for a P-8. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
zerosystem Posted July 14, 2015 Share Posted July 14, 2015 Looks like a P-3 fuselage stuck on airliner wings and tail...ta da! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Jennings Posted July 15, 2015 Share Posted July 15, 2015 According to an article I read the other day 140 million for a P-1, 250 million for a P-8. Figures like that are pretty meaningless though. There is a lot more that goes into it than just the flyaway price, and even that is HIGHLY variable depending on who the buyer is, what kind of industrial offsets they get, whether they're more or less friendly to the US, etc, etc. You're buying a very low rate production, four engined airplane with no worldwide logistics base vs a two engined airplane that's flying out of every airport on every continent daily. I guess if anyone besides the JMSDF orders them we'll see, but I still find it hard to belive that operating it is going to be cheaper than (or even the same as) a P-8 despite the latter's allegedly higher sticker price. We'll see I guess... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Julien (UK) Posted July 15, 2015 Share Posted July 15, 2015 They are trying to sell these to the UK but I seriously doubt that will happen. Unless there is a great deal of extra with these if/when the UK decide to get back into the MPA business it will more than likely be with the P-8. UK crews currently work on the P-8 to maintain competency. I am sure boeing will do us a deal. At current exchange rates the P-8 works out cheaper as well. Plus like has been mentioned it will be a lot easier to support the P-8. Julien Quote Link to post Share on other sites
kap64 Posted July 15, 2015 Author Share Posted July 15, 2015 Glad you got pictures Kap, probably not one you will see everyday I wish the weather was better since I'll probably never see one in person ever again. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Flankerman Posted July 15, 2015 Share Posted July 15, 2015 I'm going to RIAT - so I'll try and get some photos. Speaking of Japan trying to sell an MPA to the RAF - remember back in the 90's when the Russians sent a Beriev Be-40 Albatros to RIAT for the same reason ?? Now that would look good in RAF markings....... The Mermaid was accompanied by an Ilyushin Il-38 - those were the days ! Ken Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Koen L Posted July 15, 2015 Share Posted July 15, 2015 Figures like that are pretty meaningless though. There is a lot more that goes into it than just the flyaway price, and even that is HIGHLY variable depending on who the buyer is, what kind of industrial offsets they get, whether they're more or less friendly to the US, etc, etc. You're buying a very low rate production, four engined airplane with no worldwide logistics base vs a two engined airplane that's flying out of every airport on every continent daily. I guess if anyone besides the JMSDF orders them we'll see, but I still find it hard to belive that operating it is going to be cheaper than (or even the same as) a P-8 despite the latter's allegedly higher sticker price. We'll see I guess... Yup even if the P-1, that is specifically designed for the job, has some advantages compared to the P-8A (MAD boom, 360 degree AESA radar, more weapons hardpoints being some of them) I think that anyone looking at buying it would also have good relations with the US, making it unlikely for the Japanese to win the orders. From an aircraft enthusiast point of view I'd love to see more P-1s instead of just another 737 though! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Dmanton300 Posted July 15, 2015 Share Posted July 15, 2015 From a friend :-"the P-1 would look great in RAF colours, the P-8 looks best in Southwest colours" Made me chuckle! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
TaiidanTomcat Posted July 15, 2015 Share Posted July 15, 2015 Southwest does rock though Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Jennings Posted July 16, 2015 Share Posted July 16, 2015 Holy cow... I guess I assumed the P-1 was powered by CFM56 engines because of the shape of the cowlings. Turns out to be a unique IHI design specifically designed and built for the P-1. Another nail in its coffin for overseas sales. That's astounding. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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