LeviathanMK3 Posted February 15, 2013 Share Posted February 15, 2013 Seems it had a prob... But i'm a bit amazed by the pilots ejecting few seconds after the fire balls. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Av8fan Posted February 15, 2013 Share Posted February 15, 2013 Wow..thanks for posting. That second bounce was something else. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
11bee Posted February 15, 2013 Share Posted February 15, 2013 But i'm a bit amazed by the pilots ejecting few seconds after the fire balls. One thing the Russians excel at is ejection seats. I think at one point the USAF was thinking about using one of them. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Berkut Posted February 15, 2013 Share Posted February 15, 2013 One thing the Russians excel at is ejection seats. I think at one point the USAF was thinking about using one of them. In F-22 even. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
TaiidanTomcat Posted February 15, 2013 Share Posted February 15, 2013 Hey baby you don't let that plane tell you anything, if it doesn't want to land you go stick forward and make it land. Show it who's boss. Are you flying this airplane or is it flying you? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
HOLMES Posted February 15, 2013 Share Posted February 15, 2013 Glad the crew ejected safely Quote Link to post Share on other sites
loki Posted February 16, 2013 Share Posted February 16, 2013 (edited) Poor landing in the first instance. Not surprised he crashed it. Far too fast on the approach and poor rotation on wheels down amongst other serious issues. Jeez, pilots license out of cornflakes packet. He just forced the stick down to land after the bounce, that was a go around all day for me. Edited February 16, 2013 by loki Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Berkut Posted February 16, 2013 Share Posted February 16, 2013 Poor landing in the first instance. Not surprised he crashed it. Far too fast on the approach and poor rotation on wheels down amongst other serious issues. Jeez, pilots license out of cornflakes packet. He just forced the stick down to land after the bounce, that was a go around all day for me. Well, there were technical problems with the plane. The video is old, and i don't recall details, but if i am not mistaken it had flaps/slats or engine issue. They are not dropping fuel for fun. ;) So i wouldn't be too harsh on the pilots. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
habu2 Posted February 16, 2013 Share Posted February 16, 2013 In F-22 even. A Russian seat was considered for the F-35, not for the F-22. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DutyCat Posted February 16, 2013 Share Posted February 16, 2013 Pilot Induced Oscillation Quote Link to post Share on other sites
LeviathanMK3 Posted February 16, 2013 Author Share Posted February 16, 2013 Yeah sorry, it seems to be an old vid (plane crashed April 14th 2008) Berkut From what i've read, it seems the throlle was jammed. one of the engine damaged and the other pushing hard wit pilot unable to control this one. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Berkut Posted February 16, 2013 Share Posted February 16, 2013 (edited) A Russian seat was considered for the F-35, not for the F-22. It was most definitely considered for F-22, regarding F-35 i don't know. There are still several articles available online regarding F-22 + K-36. PS: Thanks for the correction Leviathan. Edited February 16, 2013 by Berkut Quote Link to post Share on other sites
loki Posted February 16, 2013 Share Posted February 16, 2013 Yeah sorry, it seems to be an old vid (plane crashed April 14th 2008) Berkut From what i've read, it seems the throlle was jammed. one of the engine damaged and the other pushing hard wit pilot unable to control this one. That could explain it. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Flyboyf18 Posted February 16, 2013 Share Posted February 16, 2013 Well if he had throttle probs and controlability issues why try to land?? Should have gotten some altitude under his butt, gone somewhere safe for a crashing jet and ejected. If that bird had rolled on the landing they never would gotten out safely, great seat or not! Good thing they pulled the handles when they did!! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ya-gabor Posted February 16, 2013 Share Posted February 16, 2013 The seat in the Su-24 is the earlier K-36DM Seria 1 version, still the capabilities are just as good as on all other K-36 versions. It has excellent O altitude parameters. Good to see that crew was saved once again. (no matter if it is ACES, K-36 or Martin-Baker the most important thing is that they are safe!) The seat considered for US figthers was a later and much lighter version of it. The US wanted it all right (after series of tests in America together with the Russian design team) but the real issue was the manufacture of the seats for US aircraft. The Americans wanted to have it all "in house" which would have meant the complete transfer of all technology from the Russians to the US. Of course they said no to that. What woudl the US do in a similar situation??? There would be one answer, and that would be NO jsut as well. So the story of the Zvezda K-36 seats in the US ended. Best regards Gabor Quote Link to post Share on other sites
11bee Posted February 16, 2013 Share Posted February 16, 2013 So the story of the Zvezda K-36 seats in the US ended. Best regards Gabor Too bad because from all I have read, the Russian seat was superior in nearly every category to the US one. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Sebastijan Posted February 16, 2013 Share Posted February 16, 2013 http://www.ejectionsite.com/k36seat.htm here you got some interesting photos from testing the K-36 on the F-16 sled Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Spongebob Posted February 16, 2013 Share Posted February 16, 2013 The K-36 definitely has more airshow demonstrations that the US ones.... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
erkin Posted February 16, 2013 Share Posted February 16, 2013 The K-36 definitely has more airshow demonstrations that the US ones.... :D/> :D/> :D/> Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Grey Ghost 531 Posted February 17, 2013 Share Posted February 17, 2013 But i'm a bit amazed by the pilots ejecting few seconds after the fire balls. I think the fireball was well aft of the aircraft since it was dumping fuel like crazy all the way in. I think that was a very busy pilot! Lucky too! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
LeviathanMK3 Posted February 17, 2013 Author Share Posted February 17, 2013 Well if he had throttle probs and controlability issues why try to land?? Should have gotten some altitude under his butt, gone somewhere safe for a crashing jet and ejected. If that bird had rolled on the landing they never would gotten out safely, great seat or not! Good thing they pulled the handles when they did!! they just try to save the plane till the last moment. During Iran/Irak wars, IRIAF pilots always tried to bring back the planes the best they could, even the badly damaged ones so they could use them for spare parts due to US sanctions after 1979. If i'm not mistaken, Iran is under many U.N sanctions and cannot buy planes, tanks and many other stuff. So i guess this Fencer crew tried until the last moment to save this plane. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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