Jennings Posted May 22, 2014 Share Posted May 22, 2014 Pardon if there is a thread somewhere about this. If there is, I can't find it... Are the missile pylons in the GWH MiG-29 correct? I seem to recall they're too short, but I'm coming up dry so far. Did I make that up? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
B.Sin Posted May 22, 2014 Share Posted May 22, 2014 Mr.Jennings, I believe they retooled them to the correct size. Brad Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gb_madcat_sl Posted May 22, 2014 Share Posted May 22, 2014 I seem to recall that it was the missiles and drop tanks that were too short. Mark Quote Link to post Share on other sites
dehowie Posted May 22, 2014 Share Posted May 22, 2014 Retooled parts are in the early Mig-29 release...longer pylons etc. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Jennings Posted May 23, 2014 Author Share Posted May 23, 2014 What!?!? The missiles (those gorgeous one-piece missiles) are too short?!?! I'm hoping not to have to buy another kit to rob missiles and pylons from, since I'll be right where I started - a kit without ordnance. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Vodnik Posted May 23, 2014 Share Posted May 23, 2014 Missiles were correct, pylons and tanks were too small. They were corrected in 9-13 and 9-12 Early boxings, and also in later production batches of the original 9-12 Late kit. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gb_madcat_sl Posted May 23, 2014 Share Posted May 23, 2014 Missiles were correct, pylons and tanks were too small. They were corrected in 9-13 and 9-12 Early boxings, and also in later production batches of the original 9-12 Late kit. I stand corrected about the missiles. I have the 9.13 boxing and it seems that it does not have the retooled wing tanks. I am unsure if the pylons were retooled in this boxing. Mark Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mario krijan Posted May 23, 2014 Share Posted May 23, 2014 Yes they are shorter. but in aerly 9-12 are corrected, and late series 9-13 boxing too. Here are pylons in mine 9-12 late boxing versus Eduard Brassin ones: Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Jennings Posted May 23, 2014 Author Share Posted May 23, 2014 So are there aftermarket corrected pylons? I can't see buying a second kit to rob pylons from, then be left with a pylon-less kit.. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ya-gabor Posted May 23, 2014 Share Posted May 23, 2014 So are there aftermarket corrected pylons? I can't see buying a second kit to rob pylons from, then be left with a pylon-less kit.. I dont know about the aftermarket examples, have no idea from what information they were made. One thing I know that I went out to measure the actual missile rails on the MiG-29 Fulcrums and the underwing fuel tanks (they are the same as the one used on the Su-17/22 family of aircraft). The measurements were sent to Great Wall Hobby and in the second half of last year the revised and correctly scaled, reworked rails and fuel tanks were added to the kits. So they sould be as authentic as you can get. You have to ask the aftermarket people where they got the measurements . . . Best regards Gabor Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mingwin Posted May 23, 2014 Share Posted May 23, 2014 So are there aftermarket corrected pylons? I can't see buying a second kit to rob pylons from, then be left with a pylon-less kit.. Red Bear Resin and Karaya makes 1/48 MiG-29 pylon sets... but i have no clue about their accuracy... (Karaya use molds from czech FM details (not fonderie miniature!) sets for 1/48 MiG-29) Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ch9862 Posted May 23, 2014 Share Posted May 23, 2014 So are there aftermarket corrected pylons? I can't see buying a second kit to rob pylons from, then be left with a pylon-less kit.. Eduard makes R-60, R-73 and R-27 sets (Brassin), which include pylons for MiG-29. Those are the dark gray parts shown by Mario above. I don't think they were conceived to correct GWH parts, but rather as add-ons for any kit. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Jennings Posted May 23, 2014 Author Share Posted May 23, 2014 Yeah, I'm not so impressed with Eduard right now. Unless some disinterested third party has vetted their accuracy, I'm not assuming that with Eduard. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mario krijan Posted May 23, 2014 Share Posted May 23, 2014 I didn't make any comparison against drawings, so I suppose that brassin is correct in length Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mingwin Posted May 23, 2014 Share Posted May 23, 2014 (edited) i compared the resin pylons provided with the 1/48 MiG-29 FM detail set i have in my possession with the pylons provided with the Eduard's Brassin Missiles sets (R-27's and R-73's) first of all, the FM (karaya) set have pylons for R-27 (2x) R-73 (2x) and R-60 (2x) so, you will be missing two R-73 pylons, as the GWH late MiG-29A and 9-13 version have no R-60 in the kit's box... (if you have the Early boxing, you won't need new pylons as the where already corrected prior that release...) secondly, the FM pylons i have compared to Brassin's ones, where slightly shorter (about 1mm shorter) ...and FM details where slightly less "crisper/sharp" than eduard's ones... the only problem i see with the Eduard's pylons is that they only come in the missiles sets!, so, to get them, you'll have to buy one R-73 set (you'll hate 4 pylons) ...and one R-27 set (you'll hate 4 pylons)... in the end you'll get unused kit missiles (what a waste) or unused resin missiles! (what a waste! !!) Edited May 23, 2014 by mingwin Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mingwin Posted May 23, 2014 Share Posted May 23, 2014 the "best" solution for you, would be to have someone that could cast you resin copies of the corrected GWH parts for you.... if it's *ethically* acceptable... i don't know... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Jennings Posted May 23, 2014 Author Share Posted May 23, 2014 There's nothing ethically wrong with making copies of kit parts as long as you're not selling them as-is. I'll investigate my options. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jfmajor60 Posted May 23, 2014 Share Posted May 23, 2014 Oh man!!! Does this mean size matters? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jfmajor60 Posted May 23, 2014 Share Posted May 23, 2014 (edited) O Edited May 23, 2014 by jfmajor60 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ch9862 Posted May 23, 2014 Share Posted May 23, 2014 Yeah, I'm not so impressed with Eduard right now. Unless some disinterested third party has vetted their accuracy, I'm not assuming that with Eduard. Understandable, but I think these missiles and pylons were designed by their 'A-Team' ;). To me Eduard looks better than Karaya/FM Details, SOL, etc. My 2 cents. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Jennings Posted May 24, 2014 Author Share Posted May 24, 2014 GWH is sending me a set of the revised sprues... :) Quote Link to post Share on other sites
solher1 Posted May 24, 2014 Share Posted May 24, 2014 (edited) GWH is sending me a set of the revised sprues... I think they should send them to anybody who requests them even paying a reasonable fee. Everybody got excited when the Haneto showed the first sprues of the Mig-29 and the response to the pylons and tanks wrongly scaled were a lot less strong that I have seen to any mistake from any other manufacturer. I still believe it is a great kit, but the small pylons is what bothers me more specially when you have so nice missiles in the kit. The tanks are small too, but since the tanks were not used very often, I can live without them. Solher Edited May 24, 2014 by solher1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Crazy Snap Captain Posted May 24, 2014 Share Posted May 24, 2014 Man! I'm confused. So does the 9.13 kit have the correct pylons? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Jennings Posted May 24, 2014 Author Share Posted May 24, 2014 The 9-13 has several corrected parts, including the pylons and tanks, as well as the engine bulges for the bottom (IIRC). Quote Link to post Share on other sites
solher1 Posted May 24, 2014 Share Posted May 24, 2014 The 9-13 has several corrected parts, including the pylons and tanks, as well as the engine bulges for the bottom (IIRC). But the pylons and tanks were still wrong. Solher Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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