salomon Posted March 17, 2021 Share Posted March 17, 2021 there are topics like the f-14, f-15, f-16, f-18 and the F-4 Phantom II which are popular topics that all manufacturers have in their catalog. The Sukhoi 33 is not a very popular aircraft and I had the kit from Kinetic so there is no need to buy another one, yet the level of detail is very high and the perfection of the assembly. pushes me to buy two. While Tamiya's F-4 Phantom II will be a great kit but I tire of the subject after the Hasegawa, Academy and Zoukzi-Mura, I won't buy the Tamiya. Other subjects a little neglected by manufacturers would be welcome. If we stay in the subject of the Russians, I expect Sukhoi-24 and 25. Even if Kitty Hawk announced this kit, there is no more news on the date of its release, it is not very serious from them. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
salomon Posted March 17, 2021 Share Posted March 17, 2021 14 minutes ago, Solo said: Up to now we know that the next Minibase kit will be Shenyang J-15, it has been almost confirmed few pages earlier. There are few major modifications for this aircraft, so it would be a shame not to release this version. 🙂 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
stalal Posted March 17, 2021 Share Posted March 17, 2021 (edited) 5 hours ago, regylum said: Disagree about Russian aircraft. In addition to the Su-27 family, there are still such machines as the Mig-23, Mig-25, Su-15, Su-24, which have not received decent models in 1/48. The models available today are far from the level of the Su-33 Minibase, and sometimes frankly incorrect, despite the huge amount of open and available information. It's my personal opinion An accurate Su-24 will be great idea. Trumpeter's rendition is expensive and inaccurate. But these are just musings of modelers like me. Lets hope the new company does well financially on this exquisite kit. Edited March 17, 2021 by stalal Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ijozic Posted March 17, 2021 Share Posted March 17, 2021 (edited) 2 hours ago, salomon said: The Sukhoi 33 is not a very popular aircraft and I had the kit from Kinetic so there is no need to buy another one, yet the level of detail is very high and the perfection of the assembly. pushes me to buy two. IIRC, Kinetic kit shares the same origins as this one so it's not like they originally decided to design an Su-33 kit when there was already one in the market. Come to think of it, the release of the Kinetic kit probably pushed them to go the extra mile in detailing their own kit and I hope they can keep doing such detailed kits, but I'm not sure how realistic it is to expect that. The J-15 is more or less a simple rebox of the current kit with added parts so it doesn't count as the "next kit" (i.e. a different subject) being discussed here, IMHO. Edited March 17, 2021 by ijozic Quote Link to post Share on other sites
stalal Posted March 17, 2021 Share Posted March 17, 2021 I think Minibase denied having anything to do with Kinetic kit. I read this in one the pages here in this thread. But when I look at Minibase weapons, they look extremely similar to Kinetic's. So I dont know if there is any past estranged relationship 🙂 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
SuperTomcat21 Posted March 17, 2021 Share Posted March 17, 2021 (edited) 2 hours ago, ijozic said: IIRC, Kinetic kit shares the same origins as this one so it's not like they originally decided to design an Su-33 kit when there was already one in the market. Come to think of it, the release of the Kinetic kit probably pushed them to go the extra mile in detailing their own kit and I hope they can keep doing such detailed kits, but I'm not sure how realistic it is to expect that. The J-15 is more or less a simple rebox of the current kit with added parts so it doesn't count as the "next kit" (i.e. a different subject) being discussed here, IMHO. The Kinetic Ver. is considered a failed product,Minibase has decided to give up in the summer of 2014,And determined to rebuild according to his ideals. The sale of Kinetic kit(Nov 2015)is based on immediately preventing Famous Terry from selling engineering drawings to other model companies, So as to produce the same products as the original version. It was completely rebuilt from scratch in early 2015. Although they all use Su-33 as the theme,But none of the parts are the same between them. The outline, structure and details of the model have been most radically changed. Obviously this is fundamentally different from improvement. This shows the determination, ability and execution of its owner. It has nothing to do with whether there is already a product with this theme. Su-33 and J-15 are both developmental types of T-10K series,So the overall profile is very similar,But there are still obvious differences in details. According to the current MINIBASE standard, it is estimated that about 25% of the new parts will be needed to achieve the design goal,I think this is worth looking forward to. Edited March 17, 2021 by SuperTomcat21 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Tapchan Posted March 17, 2021 Share Posted March 17, 2021 If it took 6 years (2015-2021) to release this model then maybe it's not worth to get excited about future projects yet 😄 I've ordered one. Su-33/J-15 isn't something most people will buy multiple times, there were 24 units produced and they were painted in only 2 schemes. Unless someone want's to build what-ifs, Su-33 may become boring while building more than one. Of course one may want to build one folded and one unfolded, however it is still no match to jets like Tomcat/Hornet/Phantom/Su-27/MiG-21/Su-22 or MiG-29 which were serving in many air forces painted in many color schemes. I'll build one with folded wings and one in-flight, not sure which will be which (Su-33/J-15). Quote Link to post Share on other sites
stalal Posted March 17, 2021 Share Posted March 17, 2021 (edited) 4 hours ago, SuperTomcat21 said: The Kinetic Ver. is considered a failed product,Minibase has decided to give up in the summer of 2014,And determined to rebuild according to his ideals. The sale of Kinetic kit(Nov 2015)is based on immediately preventing Famous Terry from selling engineering drawings to other model companies, So as to produce the same products as the original version. It was completely rebuilt from scratch in early 2015. Although they all use Su-33 as the theme,But none of the parts are the same between them. The outline, structure and details of the model have been most radically changed. Obviously this is fundamentally different from improvement. This shows the determination, ability and execution of its owner. It has nothing to do with whether there is already a product with this theme. Su-33 and J-15 are both developmental types of T-10K series,So the overall profile is very similar,But there are still obvious differences in details. According to the current MINIBASE standard, it is estimated that about 25% of the new parts will be needed to achieve the design goal,I think this is worth looking forward to. What Minibase has achieved with this kit is not just engineering prowess or technical skill in designing the kit. Its the passion that I can see in each an every part. I hope its the case for every future Minibase product. But Minibase has set a very high bar not only for competition but for itself too. Also, it takes a long time to develop such detailed product. Edited March 17, 2021 by stalal Quote Link to post Share on other sites
salomon Posted March 17, 2021 Share Posted March 17, 2021 I agree and the kit shows us those huys have modelling passion, if they don't, the kit could looks like any kit of Trumpeter, just take a look to their last production; the J-20 in 48 scale. I also understand why this kit takes to long to release. The financial problems must delay the release schedule, and do you know how much it costs a plastic mold? A lot of money, try to make a new kit and sell it, you will see how difficil is it. Anyway I'm waiting for their new product and will buy it. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
cruiz Posted March 17, 2021 Share Posted March 17, 2021 The more I learn about this kit, the more eager I'm to get one on my hands; the "design philosophy," so to speak, is what I've been looking for in a model; accuracy and detail to the extent of making aftermarket parts unnecessary. The only drawback of it, in my case, is scarcity; none of my regular sources carry this kit or have it announced. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Solo Posted March 17, 2021 Share Posted March 17, 2021 Hope that kit will sell well enought to make money sufficient for another kit to develop. If not, I am affraid it could be just perfect but the last one such detailed kit on the market. So please, better to buy one or two, and only then make wish list what those boys should make as next kit. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ijozic Posted March 17, 2021 Share Posted March 17, 2021 (edited) If somebody has both, how does it compare to GWH Su-27UB? I mean, instead of waiting another five-six years for a completely new subject, perhaps they could do other Flanker variants? Edited March 17, 2021 by ijozic Quote Link to post Share on other sites
salomon Posted March 17, 2021 Share Posted March 17, 2021 I am not a specialist about the familli of Sukhoi-27 but I like their elegant shape so I bough several kits in the market. From my personal experience, the GWH Su-27-UB is very easy to mount and detailed, very accurate while comparing with the photos of the real aircraft. The minibase is very detailed too but I aprociate the cutting of pieces like the separate cables that will facilitate the work of paint. One thing is certain, guys who conceive this model like to build models too, just like us. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
SuperTomcat21 Posted March 18, 2021 Share Posted March 18, 2021 7 hours ago, Tapchan said: If it took 6 years (2015-2021) to release this model then maybe it's not worth to get excited about future projects yet 😄 I've ordered one. Su-33/J-15 isn't something most people will buy multiple times, there were 24 units produced and they were painted in only 2 schemes. Unless someone want's to build what-ifs, Su-33 may become boring while building more than one. Of course one may want to build one folded and one unfolded, however it is still no match to jets like Tomcat/Hornet/Phantom/Su-27/MiG-21/Su-22 or MiG-29 which were serving in many air forces painted in many color schemes. I'll build one with folded wings and one in-flight, not sure which will be which (Su-33/J-15). Here need to consider the cost that everything is paid from scratch,And the goal is very high. Huge amount of engineering and accuracy. The designer tried his best to do everything possible,Realize the original ideal. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Falconxlvi Posted March 18, 2021 Share Posted March 18, 2021 I am not passionate about the Su-33 per se, but I am about this kind of kit making. I’m going to buy one to support Minibase in hopes we get more kits with this level of detail. 👍🏻 Steve Quote Link to post Share on other sites
SuperTomcat21 Posted March 18, 2021 Share Posted March 18, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, Falconxlvi said: I am not passionate about the Su-33 per se, but I am about this kind of kit making. I’m going to buy one to support Minibase in hopes we get more kits with this level of detail. 👍🏻 Steve Thank you Steve,The team is excited that such a concept product is welcomed by the market,Looking forward to applying this high-quality design and manufacturing to more themes. Edited March 18, 2021 by SuperTomcat21 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
flanker27 Posted March 18, 2021 Share Posted March 18, 2021 Maybe they will do crowdfunding to do their next project so it'll be faster 😁 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
SuperTomcat21 Posted March 18, 2021 Share Posted March 18, 2021 22 minutes ago, flanker27 said: Maybe they will do crowdfunding to do their next project so it'll be faster 😁 Funding is only one of the factors, but it is not the most important,In terms of the current market,I don’t think they need to worry about lack of funds. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ijozic Posted March 18, 2021 Share Posted March 18, 2021 (edited) 14 hours ago, SuperTomcat21 said: The Kinetic Ver. is considered a failed product,Minibase has decided to give up in the summer of 2014,And determined to rebuild according to his ideals. The sale of Kinetic kit(Nov 2015)is based on immediately preventing Famous Terry from selling engineering drawings to other model companies, So as to produce the same products as the original version. It was completely rebuilt from scratch in early 2015. Although they all use Su-33 as the theme,But none of the parts are the same between them. The outline, structure and details of the model have been most radically changed. Obviously this is fundamentally different from improvement. This shows the determination, ability and execution of its owner. It has nothing to do with whether there is already a product with this theme. Su-33 and J-15 are both developmental types of T-10K series,So the overall profile is very similar,But there are still obvious differences in details. According to the current MINIBASE standard, it is estimated that about 25% of the new parts will be needed to achieve the design goal,I think this is worth looking forward to. OK, but what I was aiming at was that Minibase probably wouldn't have chosen to work for years on the Su-33 kit if Kinetic kit was already there (e.g. their own design or something). 25% sounds like a lot, but I would presume it's a percentage of part number and includes mostly small parts, like cockpit, seat, pylons, missiles, various antennas, etc.? Edited March 18, 2021 by ijozic Quote Link to post Share on other sites
stalal Posted March 18, 2021 Share Posted March 18, 2021 4 hours ago, ijozic said: OK, but what I was aiming at was that Minibase probably wouldn't have chosen to work for years on the Su-33 kit if Kinetic kit was already there (e.g. their own design or something). 25% sounds like a lot, but I would presume it's a percentage of part number and includes mostly small parts, like cockpit, seat, pylons, missiles, various antennas, etc.? I dont think you have seen the kit. 🙂 You can instantly determine the quality of detail in the kit by looking at its pylons or included weapons. In this kit, the pylons are super detailed, or as much detail you can get on a plastic part. This is where this kit differs from Kinetic. While the quality of molding is similar (both have sharp details), the quality of detail in this kit is at the next level. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ijozic Posted March 18, 2021 Share Posted March 18, 2021 13 minutes ago, stalal said: I dont think you have seen the kit. 🙂 You can instantly determine the quality of detail in the kit by looking at its pylons or included weapons. In this kit, the pylons are super detailed, or as much detail you can get on a plastic part. This is where this kit differs from Kinetic. While the quality of molding is similar (both have sharp details), the quality of detail in this kit is at the next level. I'm not saying it's not worth buying over Kinetic, but that a somewhat obscure subject such as the Su-33 doesn't warrant all that investment of time and money if there's already a good quality kit out there. Since the kits share common origins, I would presume that whoever is behind Minibase stuck with it since they already invested years in it (resulting in the Kinetic kit) and were quite familiar with the subject. The logical way to continue would be more members of the Flanker family, hence why I'm asking how the Minibase kit compares with the GWH (i.e. if they do another Su-27 Flanker, will it have a noticeable edge over GWH or it's perhaps better to do something like Su-30MKI, Su-34, Su-27M, etc.). Quote Link to post Share on other sites
SuperTomcat21 Posted March 18, 2021 Share Posted March 18, 2021 6 hours ago, ijozic said: OK, but what I was aiming at was that Minibase probably wouldn't have chosen to work for years on the Su-33 kit if Kinetic kit was already there (e.g. their own design or something). 25% sounds like a lot, but I would presume it's a percentage of part number and includes mostly small parts, like cockpit, seat, pylons, missiles, various antennas, etc.? Hi ijozic,If you carefully check the timeline mentioned above, you will find that whether the Kinetic kit is released or not, it will not affect the birth of the new version of Su-33. The restart was decided and started more than a year before the release of the Kinetic version. Su-33 is a huge fighter plane and the most complicated model in the entire Su-27 family. And the information is very limited,Enable the team to gain a lot of experience by completing its design,This will inevitably benefit when developing other themed products in the future. Exploration inevitably requires a price, But it can make future development less detours. In addition, the breakthrough achieved by the new version in the plastic scale aircraft model is obvious to all. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
salomon Posted March 18, 2021 Share Posted March 18, 2021 Good point. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ijozic Posted March 18, 2021 Share Posted March 18, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, SuperTomcat21 said: Hi ijozic,If you carefully check the timeline mentioned above, you will find that whether the Kinetic kit is released or not, it will not affect the birth of the new version of Su-33. The restart was decided and started more than a year before the release of the Kinetic version. I'll try one more time to explain my point - imagine the situation where the Minibase designer didn't start with the Su-33 research yet or even chosen which kit he might design and Kinetic released their Su-33 kit to the market already (developed by someone else let's say). Do you think Minibase would then still have gone with the Su-33 and compete with the Kinetic kit or would they have chosen a different subject? In any case, glad they did and hope more Flankers will follow. Heck, I'd love any Soviet late Cold War subject in 1/48 at this level of detail, including a MiG-29, despite the GWH kit (at least they would do justice to those auxiliary intakes). Edited March 18, 2021 by ijozic Quote Link to post Share on other sites
madcop Posted March 18, 2021 Share Posted March 18, 2021 12 hours ago, SuperTomcat21 said: Thank you Steve,The team is excited that such a concept product is welcomed by the market,Looking forward to applying this high-quality design and manufacturing to more themes. I already have mine since two weeks. Can't get my eyes out of her; She is simply gorgeous. Thanks to all the team. Best model for the last six years, Su-33 fan or not, the realization is simply astonishing. Madcop. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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