Alex Matvey Posted October 31, 2019 Share Posted October 31, 2019 The HK 1/48 downscale fuselage will look like this ... . Same issues as 1/32 model, comparing real plane and old Monogram kit. I have 32 scale and measured it far and wide, using original Boeing plans and figures. We discussed 32nd issues in detail here if you interested. In 1/48 release HK corrected nose shape before pilot's windshield, but the rest obviously left "as is". So the fuselage is quite thick all length and tail section have wrong angle regarding datum line of original. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Andreas Beck Posted November 16, 2019 Share Posted November 16, 2019 photo from Telford. Engine (prop) axis should meet center of wing leading edge in all positions. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DarkKnight Posted November 16, 2019 Share Posted November 16, 2019 I want to build Old 666, Id love to see an E model and conversion kit Quote Link to post Share on other sites
FlyAndFight Posted November 16, 2019 Share Posted November 16, 2019 Thanks for that pic, Andreas. Wow, that outboard engine position looks WAY off... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Johnny_K Posted November 16, 2019 Share Posted November 16, 2019 I just looked at my Revellogram B-17 and the prop hubs appear to be below the centerline of the wing's leading edge. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Johnny_K Posted November 16, 2019 Share Posted November 16, 2019 Here is a side photo (excuse the crappy nacelle joint) showing how the centerline of the prop hub relates to the centerline of the wing of my Revellogram B-17. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Don Posted November 16, 2019 Share Posted November 16, 2019 I am no expert whatsoever, but it looks like Monogram is pretty close to the real thing based on the pic above ^^^ and this pic below: Which makes that HK outer engine look quite a ways off. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
B-17 guy Posted November 17, 2019 Share Posted November 17, 2019 14 hours ago, Andreas Beck said: photo from Telford. Engine (prop) axis should meet center of wing leading edge in all positions. Are those engines upside down? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Johnny_K Posted November 17, 2019 Share Posted November 17, 2019 (edited) The wing is correct, the outboard engine appears to be located above the wing instead of below the wing. However, I have never seen a real B-17, so I shouldn't be making comments. Who knows if the engine locations on my Revellogram B-17 is correct? I don't. Edited November 17, 2019 by Johnny_K Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Johnny_K Posted November 17, 2019 Share Posted November 17, 2019 (edited) Now, this is an interesting picture. It looks like the hubs of the outboard engines of the B-17 are located at the wing's centerline. I like this picture. It shows the different locations of the main wings on the B-17 (bottom), B-24 (top) and B-29 (middle). Edited November 17, 2019 by Johnny_K Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DarkKnight Posted November 17, 2019 Share Posted November 17, 2019 so after all these years the solution is to buy the monogram again Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ChesshireCat Posted November 17, 2019 Share Posted November 17, 2019 16 hours ago, B-17 guy said: Are those engines upside down? I think your right. Looking at the approximate centerline of the wing verses the spinner tip, and things don't add up. Plus you have two conflicting angles in the one photo. I'll wait and see what's in the box before trashing the kit Gary Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DarkKnight Posted November 17, 2019 Share Posted November 17, 2019 I wish the model companies was spend some time on this forum and TAKE the ADVICE given here before finalizing molds Quote Link to post Share on other sites
B-17 guy Posted November 17, 2019 Share Posted November 17, 2019 12 hours ago, DarkKnight said: so after all these years the solution is to buy the monogram again Glad I still have a bunch with a good amount of spare bits and pieces. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
dnl42 Posted November 17, 2019 Share Posted November 17, 2019 17 hours ago, B-17 guy said: Are those engines upside down? Yeah, looks likely. Here are some drawings from Flying Fortress by Edward Jablonski Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Don Posted November 17, 2019 Share Posted November 17, 2019 Based on those diagrams ^^^ I'd say Monograms are pretty darn close to accurate. I'll wait and see for when more info comes available on the HK B-17 but right now their engines certainly look wonky in that picture a few posts above. Happy modeling! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
B-17 guy Posted November 18, 2019 Share Posted November 18, 2019 Ok, so looking at those engines, I can’t tell if they are upside or not. Honestly they don’t look right when compared to the real thing. I don’t have a small enough picture of one to post. But to me the kit engines look like generic radial engines instead of wright cyclone radials. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
B-17 guy Posted November 18, 2019 Share Posted November 18, 2019 And I’m not looking at the angle of where it’s mounted to centerline of the wing because that pic is a bad angle to judge that from Quote Link to post Share on other sites
niart17 Posted November 18, 2019 Share Posted November 18, 2019 (edited) Also, in that picture of the kit with the wing mounted, the wing looks like it's drooping instead of an upward dihedral. I don't know if that's the fuse sitting at an outward angle or if the wing is actually hanging, but that's another odd looking thing in that photo. I hope this isn't too big of an issue as the kit looks to have a lot or promise. Edited November 18, 2019 by niart17 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ChesshireCat Posted November 20, 2019 Share Posted November 20, 2019 Had a look around for a couple B17 books, and found one I forgot I owned. The one by Jablonski. Looking at the photo, the outboard engine looks to be mounted upside down. Also the outboard engine will appear to sit higher due to the four and a half degree wing dihedral. Oddly the one drawing I found to show this best also has the outboard engine slightly below wing center on the pilots side. I'm sure that is an illusion! Photos seem to align with sketches produced by Jablonski. As I said before; I'll simply wait Gary's Quote Link to post Share on other sites
niart17 Posted November 20, 2019 Share Posted November 20, 2019 (edited) The more I look at that pic of the kit wing above, I wonder if it's just a case of the cowling not being situated correctly? It looks like MAYBE the cowling is angle down slightly towards the nose, which would make the engine look low. I hope that's the extent of what's going on. Would be good to see another pic maybe without the cowling or with it confirmed to be in the correct placement. Edited November 20, 2019 by niart17 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ChesshireCat Posted November 20, 2019 Share Posted November 20, 2019 8 hours ago, niart17 said: The more I look at that pic of the kit wing above, I wonder if it's just a case of the cowling not being situated correctly? It looks like MAYBE the cowling is angle down slightly towards the nose, which would make the engine look low. I hope that's the extent of what's going on. Would be good to see another pic maybe without the cowling or with it confirmed to be in the correct placement. Looked at a second book after I made the above post. It pretty much went along with my thoughts. Never realized how much wing dihedral was built into the airframe! Glt Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DarkKnight Posted November 22, 2019 Share Posted November 22, 2019 monogram should re-release the B-17 with photo etch and resin update and some figures Quote Link to post Share on other sites
afspret Posted November 22, 2019 Share Posted November 22, 2019 3 hours ago, DarkKnight said: monogram should re-release the B-17 with photo etch and resin update and some figures IIRC the Pro-Modeler release had crew figures and a small amount of PE. Also, if memory serves me right, I think it had the Cheyenne tail turret. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
afspret Posted November 22, 2019 Share Posted November 22, 2019 Over on the Modeling Madness site there is review build of a test shot of the kit from 3 years ago and, to my eye at least, the placement of the engines look alright. Given the review was based on a test shot from 3 years ago, maybe something happened with the engine placement between then and today. The one thing I noticed on the review build is the outer engine nacelles extending back from the firewall and over the top of the wing looks odd when compared to the same areas on the inboard engines and some pics of Monogram builds & real a/c I looked at. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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