newca96 Posted October 30, 2005 Share Posted October 30, 2005 Is this kit released by KP a rebox of Italeri? this box art looks nice Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Mandrake Posted October 30, 2005 Share Posted October 30, 2005 Newca, you should know better than to judge a book by its cover I honestly can't comment on the quality for the KP kits but I'm certain they aren't Italeri reboxes. I am under the impression that the best Su-22 kits are the Bilek/Italeri kits, which in my opinion are rather nice. HTH Quote Link to post Share on other sites
newca96 Posted October 30, 2005 Author Share Posted October 30, 2005 :D :D I just love the Tomcat tooooooo much, so I even buy this kit only for the box art...almostly :D Well, I'll make my head cooler Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Fiddler Posted October 30, 2005 Share Posted October 30, 2005 Well, a friend of mine bought one but I thought you better search for the Italeri/Bilek kit. It's not bad, but neither the waauw feeling gets in your mind. If it's up to me I wouldn't buy it. Regards Quote Link to post Share on other sites
flanker Posted October 30, 2005 Share Posted October 30, 2005 This is Kopro-MAstercraft rebox of Pantera/SMer... Italeri/Bilek is much better (more accurate:) Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Icehound Posted October 30, 2005 Share Posted October 30, 2005 My local Model shop has quite a few of these kits in stock.He has had them for quite a while and not one has sold,but the Italeri Fitters he had in stock sold rather well. Mark Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Hoops Posted October 30, 2005 Share Posted October 30, 2005 I've heard that the Italeri/Bilek kits are really more a Su-17 than a Su-22 with the shape of the rear fuselage more closely resembling the Russian version of the aircraft. I don't know if there is an accurate Su-22 out there, but it's probably the kind of thing where if you don't say anything, nobody will know the difference... -Hoops Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mmaker Posted October 30, 2005 Share Posted October 30, 2005 I think KP is from Hobbycraft's masters Quote Link to post Share on other sites
kiwikitbasher Posted October 31, 2005 Share Posted October 31, 2005 I asked Modelimex, a major Czech distributor of KP, and they said it was the Pantera kit. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Daryl J. Posted October 31, 2005 Share Posted October 31, 2005 IIRC, the Pantera kit is much more a Su-20 than Su-17/22 having a ''straight'' nose rather than the ''dropped'' edition. Also, weren't the aircraft called Su-17 within the USSR and Su-22's if exported to Warsaw Pact countries? It just seems to me that the Su-17M-4 and the Su-22M-4 were the same aircraft............ Daryl J. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Mandrake Posted October 31, 2005 Share Posted October 31, 2005 Also, weren't the aircraft called Su-17 within the USSR and Su-22's if exported to Warsaw Pact countries? It just seems to me that the Su-17M-4 and the Su-22M-4 were the same aircraft............Daryl J. Su-17 versions for export were indeed designated Su-22, though the designations are often used (wrongly) as interchangable. Also the Su-17/22 was exported alot further than the Warsaw pact! However Su-22 are not identical to the russian service counterparts. The rear of the fuselage has a wider diameter, which suggests a different engine was installed for export versions, hence Jared's comments. HTH Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Linden Hill Posted October 31, 2005 Share Posted October 31, 2005 If my memory serves me right, the Su-17m4 is externally identical to the export Su-22m4; however, the Su-22m3 has a different powerplant (Tumanski?) to the Su-17m3 (Lyulka). Thus the Su-22m3 has a wider rear fuselage. The export Su-22m3s were fitted with Tumanski engines to promote sales to countries (such as Hungary and Libya) already flying the MiG-23, also powered by a Tumanski. I don't have my references in front of me; others may know more. The Pantera kit is a Su-17m3, not 22m3. The Bilek kits are nicer, in my opinion. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
flanker Posted October 31, 2005 Share Posted October 31, 2005 I know that this is off topic but i must ask you Linden hill:) Do you know why Amodel suspended production of Tu-128 1/72? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Linden Hill Posted October 31, 2005 Share Posted October 31, 2005 No idea. Sorry. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
kotey Posted October 31, 2005 Share Posted October 31, 2005 Yes, Guy is right about differences, if any know Rusian - welcome, my revew Su-17 model Bilek vs Mastercraft. Su-17M4 and export version Su-22M4 have same engine AL-21F, before this modification Soviet and some Warshaw pact countries Su-17 have AL-21F engine, export Su-22 had R-29-300BS engine (as into MiG-23BN). One of most reason nonexport AL-21F engine - this engine biult with help (russian look) at GE J-79 engine fron shot down in Vietnam Phantom Quote Link to post Share on other sites
joachim Posted October 31, 2005 Share Posted October 31, 2005 :) I learn so much from you guy's!! thanks Quote Link to post Share on other sites
davetur Posted October 31, 2005 Share Posted October 31, 2005 If my memory serves me right, the Su-17m4 is externally identical to the export Su-22m4; however, the Su-22m3 has a different powerplant (Tumanski?) to the Su-17m3 (Lyulka). Thus the Su-22m3 has a wider rear fuselage. The export Su-22m3s were fitted with Tumanski engines to promote sales to countries (such as Hungary and Libya) already flying the MiG-23, also powered by a Tumanski.I don't have my references in front of me; others may know more. The Pantera kit is a Su-17m3, not 22m3. The Bilek kits are nicer, in my opinion. Correct. The Aerofax book by Yefim Gordon quotes all Su-22s produced until 1983 (including those with the straight nose) as being fitted with the Tumansky R29BS-300, which give a "fat" look at the rear fuselage, with the change starting more or less at the level of the inner flaps hinge line. After 1983 all export Su-22 (namely the Su-22M4 and Su-22UM3K) were fitted with the same Lyulka AL-21F-3 as the Russian aircraft. And yes, the KP/Mastercraft originally was the Pantera kit. The Bilek kit, although not perfect, is much better. Davide Quote Link to post Share on other sites
flanker Posted November 1, 2005 Share Posted November 1, 2005 No idea. Sorry. I found last box of Amo Tu-128 in shop in Belgrade Quote Link to post Share on other sites
kotey Posted November 1, 2005 Share Posted November 1, 2005 Tomorrow i see two model Tu-128 in two different modelshops in Rostov-on-Don Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Grey Ghost 531 Posted November 1, 2005 Share Posted November 1, 2005 How's the Leoman resin kit of the Su-22 compare to the real thing? I have one of those on the shelf somewhere. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MoFo Posted November 1, 2005 Share Posted November 1, 2005 Yes, Guy is right about differences, if any know Rusian - welcome, my revew Su-17 model Bilek vs Mastercraft. Who does that resin exhaust, and where can I get one (well, two)? I'm thinking it might work for the 1/72 Tu-22 I'm working on. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Hoops Posted November 1, 2005 Share Posted November 1, 2005 Here's a link to the RuModelism page about the Fitter, and down at the bottom there some aftermarked reviews, including the one for the exhaust nozzles. Seems that they are from a firm named TeDa, which I have never heard of or have any idea where to get them. http://rumodelism.com/sunduk/obz125.shtml Maybe somebody will be able to fill in on some details concerning this piece of resin? -Jared Quote Link to post Share on other sites
kotey Posted November 2, 2005 Share Posted November 2, 2005 Manufacter of this resin Teda firm, #72101, but i don't know anything more about this resin. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MoFo Posted November 2, 2005 Share Posted November 2, 2005 Too bad. :) Quote Link to post Share on other sites
172flogger Posted September 9, 2009 Share Posted September 9, 2009 How accurate is the forgotten "Fitter J" from japanese company GRIFFON ? Existed Griffon No.2 Su-22M4 Fitter-K, or only No.1 Su-22M3 Fitter J ? L. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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