BAE Hawk

[markiii]

Just saw this on Cybermodeler, Italeri is bringing out a new tool Hawk. Sept 08

Mark

[Matt Roberts]

Here is the product sheet for the Hawk

http://www.cybermodeler.com/news/news080723a.shtml

[mkimages]

So what are the odds that they tooled it so a T-45 might be a future release?

[Samurai_Chris]

Off subject.

But Mark, where in Marietta are you..

I am an Aussie that lives in Japan, but before moving here I used to live in Vinings..

Must say I truely miss the place and wanted to return back for good. But with Sept 11, its kinda hard for anyone to get residency in the US now days, and so I may never return like I wish.. Have been back many times to visit friends, but when I saw your post, I just had to say hi!

Sorry for the hijack guys..

Chris

[Joe Hegedus]

I like the Hawk, but at $47 I think I'll pass when I can get the Airfix version for less than $20.

[Matt Roberts]

So what are the odds that they tooled it so a T-45 might be a future release?

That is the $64,000 question, well maybe $32,000 question. The other $32,000 is if there may be a Hawk 200 in the works. A series 100 Hawk is probably a given.

We'll see when we see the sprues but from what I understand the Goshawk has very little in common with the BAe Hawk.

Matt

[Joe Hegedus]

So what are the odds that they tooled it so a T-45 might be a future release?

Considering that a T-45 would need new wings, fuselage, stabilizers, and landing gear, I suspect slim to none.

[mkimages]

Considering that a T-45 would need new wings, fuselage, stabilizers, and landing gear, I suspect slim to none.

Hmm, bummer. I was under the impression that it might be able to be done Tamya style, with different fuselage parts and an extra/different sprue or two. C'est la vie.

& Chris, PM sent.

[sv51macross]

Maybe if it comes with that ADEN in the boxart...maybe. Waht about the Airfix version?

[Chox]

The Italeri kit was originally announced (and placed in their catalogue) before the Airfix one. They withdrew it when the Airfix one was announced and now it's finally returned. Anybody's guess as to how good it will be but hopefully it will be an improvement on Airfix's kit, particularly in terms of accuracy, as the Airfix kit is shaped rather oddly around the rear fuselage and forward tail area (although nobpody seems to have noticed this when they've built it!).

Airfix have also been telling everyone that their forthcoming 72nd Hawk will be a new tooling rather than a re-issue of their old kit, but then they also specifically said that the Meteor F8 would be a new tool and not the MPM kit. It was of course the MPM kit so it's anybody's guess as to whether the 72nd Hawk will be new, or just a re-issue.

[Dave Williams]

Here is the product sheet for the Hawk

http://www.cybermodeler.com/news/news080723a.shtml

What is a "vertical mobile tail"? Is that like a movable rudder?

[Jennings]

So what are the odds that they tooled it so a T-45 might be a future release?

Given that there's almost no commonality between a Hawk T.1 and a T-45 Goshawk, probably zero at this point. That doesn't mean they'll never do one, but the T-45 has extremely limited appeal. It comes in exactly one variant, exactly one color scheme, and has been used by exactly one user. You'll note the lightning speed with which Hasegawa has done a TA-4F/G/H/J/K, an airplane with HUGE appeal, gazillions of users, bazillions of marking options, and is just plain pretty (something you can't say about a T-45). I'm not holding my breath on an Italeri Goshawk.

As for the new 1/48 Hawk T.Mk.1..... 'BOUT FREAKIN' TIME!!!

J

Edited July 25, 2008 by Jennings

[Jennings]

What is a "vertical mobile tail"? Is that like a movable rudder?

Yes, I believe in Italian, that's the equivalent of a "tail wing" in Japanese (plaese to paint plat black) Either that, or they're making the vertical fin removable for transport?

J

[Cagie]

That would be great. I would be able to do a 76Sqn Hawk...and use the low vis markings Chris used on his Strike Eagle...Awesome

[AndrewPerren]

That would be great. I would be able to do a 76Sqn Hawk...and use the low vis markings Chris used on his Strike Eagle...Awesome

Only if you are planning another "What If". I'm not sure if you are aware a Hawk T Mk1 is very different to a Hawk 127 LIF. If you go down that track ,Low vis RAAF roundels are abundant from either Hawkeye, Aussie Decals or even the new Afterburner Hornet sheet.

I hope the new Italeri Hawk T1 has nice crisp detail even if basic. That to me would be an improvement over the Airfix rounded edge mouldings.

I'd love to do a gloss black RAF one.

[AeroplaneDriver]

Few things in the modeling world would make me happier than a nice 1/48 Hawk 200.

[Cagie]

Only if you are planning another "What If". I'm not sure if you are aware a Hawk T Mk1 is very different to a Hawk 127 LIF. If you go down that track ,Low vis RAAF roundels are abundant from either Hawkeye, Aussie Decals or even the new Afterburner Hornet sheet.

I hope the new Italeri Hawk T1 has nice crisp detail even if basic. That to me would be an improvement over the Airfix rounded edge mouldings.

I'd love to do a gloss black RAF one.

Andrew,

You are correct though do we not use the 100 Hawk ? and thus the difference between the 100 and 200 would only be small ?. Now please understand that I am only speaking from a mere novice viewpoint here.

If I am incorrect does any of the makers do a Aussie series hawk ? and if not what wuold be the most applicable model if I wanted to go down that path anyway ?..

Thanks B)

[AeroplaneDriver]

Andrew,

You are correct though do we not use the 100 Hawk ? and thus the difference between the 100 and 200 would only be small ?. Now please understand that I am only speaking from a mere novice viewpoint here.

If I am incorrect does any of the makers do a Aussie series hawk ? and if not what wuold be the most applicable model if I wanted to go down that path anyway ?..

Thanks

The Aussie Hawk 127 is a 100-series aircraft, very different from a T.1. The Airfix Hawk 100 can be built as an Aussie version. The 200 is very different, it is the single seat light fighter version used by Oman, Malaysia...maybe another user, but I think thats it. Neomega make a 200 conversion set for the Airfix 100.

[AndrewPerren]

Not quite Cagie me ol' mate

RAAF Hawks are Hawk 127's which are in the Hawk 100 series family. The Hawk 127 is specifically the RAAF model designation but can be made from the Airfix Hawk 100 kit in 1/48 with some minor/major mods depending on your budget and desire for accuracy - totally up to you. :D

Basic families of Hawks:

Hawk TI - British two seat trainers.

Hawk 50 + series - export two seat trainers.

Hawk 100 + series ( 127, 128 etc) - two seat advanced trainers

Hawk 200 + series - single seat light attack/fighter version based on modified Hawk airframe

As far as I know all Hawks have at least some weapons capabiity.

In 1/48 the Airfix kit actually comes with decals for 76 & 79 Sqns which are quite useable. Hawkeye also does aftermarket sets for both.

Don't worry about being a novice mate, experience will soon have you spruking convincing sounding bullsh*t like the rest of us. :P

Hope that helps.

Edited July 25, 2008 by AndrewPerren

[Gabe Pincelli]

Hey guys,

I, for one, am very hopeful. I'd be extremely happy if it improves on Airfix's Hawk at all. I have built a few Airfix Hawks and am happy to have had it available. However, while the Airfix Hawk does look like a Hawk when built, it also has some pretty significant (I know....significant to some, but maybe not to others) shape issues. Some are easily correctable, some not. If Italeri just get the shape right with even minor improvements in detail, I'd say Italeri comes out ahead. Now I will agree that $47.00 is a bit steep, but it won't keep this Hawk addict from purchasing several if it looks and builds better than Airfix's.

As far as the T-45 is concerned, they did it once in 1/72 so we can only hope. I know it was only accurate as a prototype, but it was actually quite accurate as the prototype and at least had the most difficult mods done for us. I've seen it posted here that they didn't modify the gear to Goshawk standard. That is actually not correct. They did do a pretty good representation of the T-45 landing gear, gear doors, and most importantly to me, the forward fuselage shape was pretty near spot on. The other mods are the "easy" ones.

Sorry to hijack a Hawk thread and turn it into a T-45 thread. If you would like to read more about making a Hawk into a Goshawk, I posted a fairly complete list of the required modifications here: http://www.arcforums.com/forums/air/index....howtopic=143474 .

Now lets get back to the Hawk side of things and I'll reserve my T-45 obsession for another thread.

-Gabe

[Gabe Pincelli]

Given that there's almost no commonality between a Hawk T.1 and a T-45 Goshawk, probably zero at this point. That doesn't mean they'll never do one, but the T-45 has extremely limited appeal. It comes in exactly one variant, exactly one color scheme, and has been used by exactly one user. You'll note the lightning speed with which Hasegawa has done a TA-4F/G/H/J/K, an airplane with HUGE appeal, gazillions of users, bazillions of marking options, and is just plain pretty (something you can't say about a T-45). I'm not holding my breath on an Italeri Goshawk.

As for the new 1/48 Hawk T.Mk.1..... 'BOUT FREAKIN' TIME!!!

J

Aw, come on Jennings. Easy on the poor little Goshawk. I do have to agree that the Skyhawk is "just plain pretty". Prettier than the Goshawk? A resounding YES. But I wouldn't say the Goshawk isn't a pretty good looking airplane too. I've spent a bit of time flying and studying both in great detail and I haven't grown tired of either of them.

Gabe

[Joe Hegedus]

and is just plain pretty (something you can't say about a T-45). I'm not holding my breath on an Italeri Goshawk.

J

You know what they say about beauty...

I think the T-45 is quite the attractive little jet, as is the Hawk. I never thought the TA-4 was a attractive as the A-4E sans hump, though.

[Cagie]

Not quite Cagie me ol' mate

RAAF Hawks are Hawk 127's which are in the Hawk 100 series family. The Hawk 127 is specifically the RAAF model designation but can be made from the Airfix Hawk 100 kit in 1/48 with some minor/major mods depending on your budget and desire for accuracy - totally up to you. :D

Basic families of Hawks:

Hawk TI - British two seat trainers.

Hawk 50 + series - export two seat trainers.

Hawk 100 + series ( 127, 128 etc) - two seat advanced trainers

Hawk 200 + series - single seat light attack/fighter version based on modified Hawk airframe

As far as I know all Hawks have at least some weapons capabiity.

In 1/48 the Airfix kit actually comes with decals for 76 & 79 Sqns which are quite useable. Hawkeye also does aftermarket sets for both.

Don't worry about being a novice mate, experience will soon have you spruking convincing sounding bullsh*t like the rest of us.

Hope that helps.

Thanks for the heads up Andy.

Once I pull my finger out and complete the Blue Angles Hornet I will haev to track downa hawk 100 series

[Dave Fleming]

but then they also specifically said that the Meteor F8 would be a new tool and not the MPM kit.

Nope, they said it was a new to Airfix tool - they were very specific as to which were 'new Airfix tools' and which were 'new to the range' tools.

http://airfixtributeforum.myfastforum.org/...&highlight=

Interestingly, the 'new' tools are all of subjects they have recently done in 1/48th - hawks, spitfire and Canberra.

[Patrick_Nevin]

[snip] Now, when will Trumpeter produce a 32nd scale one? Or maybe Airfix could have a go at 24th scale once they've got the Mosquito out of the way??!

I take it you already know about the Flightpath one that's been near realease for quite a while then? If it ever comes out, it's likely to trump any aces either of the above can play...