falcon04 Posted February 23, 2016 Share Posted February 23, 2016 Nice shots - not just of the J-11B sprues - but also of the forthcoming 2-seater - Su-27UB "Flanker-C" Flanker I just got the J-11B - not the Kinetic Su-33 by any means, but not bad. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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nicholassagan Posted February 23, 2016 Share Posted February 23, 2016 Score. My J-11 is on the way, can't wait for the new UB!! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
falcon04 Posted February 23, 2016 Author Share Posted February 23, 2016 Looking at the 2-seater's hump ( WHAT HUMP ? ) I wonder if this is not the SU-30MKK ? 2-seaters Quote Link to post Share on other sites
rom Posted February 23, 2016 Share Posted February 23, 2016 great! Instrument panels are very sharp! but exhausts are not that great.. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mingwin Posted February 24, 2016 Share Posted February 24, 2016 great! Instrument panels are very sharp! but exhausts are not that great.. hobbyBoss tooling team should take a close look at how Kinetic's Sea Flanker nozzles are engineered... now, bring the Su-27S please! cos i've got nothing to du with the J-11 nor the twinseater... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
janman Posted February 24, 2016 Share Posted February 24, 2016 hobbyBoss tooling team should take a close look at how Kinetic's Sea Flanker nozzles are engineered... My thoughts exactly. The instrument panel sure looks crisp, but for this day and age - not to mention the large scale - the exhaust nozzle detail looks very soft. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ijozic Posted February 24, 2016 Share Posted February 24, 2016 (edited) So, these are sprues of a Chinese two-seater, rather than the UB. This is not a J-11B then, but J-11BS according to the wiki (as J-11B is the upgraded J-11 which is a single-seater). Too bad they didn't fix the canopy in the meantime (since the UB shots were psoted months ago) which is much too narrow to be ignored. Edited February 24, 2016 by ijozic Quote Link to post Share on other sites
falcon04 Posted February 24, 2016 Author Share Posted February 24, 2016 (edited) So, these are sprues of a Chinese two-seater, rather than the UB. This is not a J-11B then, but J-11BS according to the wiki (as J-11B is the upgraded J-11 which is a single-seater). Too bad they didn't fix the canopy in the meantime (since the UB shots were psoted months ago) which is much too narrow to be ignored. HB lists the 2 seaters as the UB and MKK, FWIW. As I said, I know what's in the J-11B kit - I have one. Looking again, I think we've got a mix of sprues. Su-30MKK would have the offset IRST and the refueling probe "slot" - not on these sprues. Panels for the J-11B ( glass ) and the Su-27 are in the J-11B kit, and the front and rear panels are also shown - correctly ??. Only Chinese missiles / rails / pylons are shown. I assume that the "hump" is identical for both the UB and the MKK ? I can't imagine HB molding 2 diff. types. You've probably seen this thread at BM - has another pile of test shot sprues showing some Russian / USSR missiles / rails / racks. We'll see if HB's designations fit the plastic as they are released. BM HB Flanker thread Edited February 24, 2016 by falcon04 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Janissary Posted February 24, 2016 Share Posted February 24, 2016 I have to have the UB or the MKK! With that, my entire stash will be: (1) HB F-14D, (2) Tanmodel Rf-84 and (3) this HB two-seater Flanker (I have the Eduard UB, but I will probably just keep the resin/PE from that). I will be set for a few years. Can't wait! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ijozic Posted February 24, 2016 Share Posted February 24, 2016 (edited) HB lists the 2 seaters as the UB and MKK, FWIW. As I said, I know what's in the J-11B kit - I have one. Sorry, jumped to the conclusion (mat) seeing the label on the linked page (as it says J-11B sprues) and the photos which show the twin-seater fuselage, dual cockpit and canopy, plus the Chinese missiles. Deranged as I am, I forgot that there was no J-11BS announced, unlike the UB and MKK. Don't see the vertical tails on the photos, but given the cockpit panel with MFD's included, the sprues could be of the Su-30MKK? Edited February 24, 2016 by ijozic Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Jinxter13 Posted February 24, 2016 Share Posted February 24, 2016 Is it true? finally after all the hype, with them saying it's coming....I may be cynical, but I'll believe it when I see one in progress on display even better yet on the shelf of my LHS B) . Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Jennings Posted February 24, 2016 Share Posted February 24, 2016 hobbyBoss tooling team should take a close look at how Kinetic's Sea Flanker nozzles are engineered... They should also take a close look at the orientation of the main gear wells and doors on a real Flanker. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Deino Posted February 24, 2016 Share Posted February 24, 2016 Regarding the twin-seater versions I think HB will release them all ... the standard Chinese BS, a Russian UB/UBK ... and since a J-16 is also already announced a MKK should not be far away. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
falcon04 Posted February 24, 2016 Author Share Posted February 24, 2016 Sorry, jumped to the conclusion (mat) seeing the label on the linked page (as it says J-11B sprues) and the photos which show the twin-seater fuselage, dual cockpit and canopy, plus the Chinese missiles. Deranged as I am, I forgot that there was no J-11BS announced, unlike the UB and MKK. Don't see the vertical tails on the photos, but given the cockpit panel with MFD's included, the sprues could be of the Su-30MKK? No problem Or the J-16 w. WS-10A engines ( SU-30MKK clone )- optional tailpipes already present in J-11B kit. Scroll down in the BM thread and you'll see the catalog pic of that version. I'm sure they will supply a sprue for the MKK and J-16 with the tall tails and Sorbtsiya wingtip pods. I also suspect a slew of dedicated resin ( and some resin Chinese rails and pylons for that Su-33 to J-15 conversion ) Quote Link to post Share on other sites
falcon04 Posted February 24, 2016 Author Share Posted February 24, 2016 They should also take a close look at the orientation of the main gear wells and doors on a real Flanker. Not going to happen - horse gone from stable, grasshopper. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Flankerman Posted February 24, 2016 Share Posted February 24, 2016 The HB 1/48 scale J-11B and two-seater - look like scaled-up versions of the Trumpeter 1/72 scale Flankers - complete with angled mainwheel bays. If that's the case - and HB release all of the versions that Trumpeter have kitted - you will get.... J-11B Su-30MKK Su-27UB Su-27 (Early) Su-27 .... and maybe (its a completely new mould and differs from the above).... J-15 Ken Quote Link to post Share on other sites
dehowie Posted February 24, 2016 Share Posted February 24, 2016 (edited) If they haven't fixed the nose/canopy on the single seater then it will simply look wrong canopy down. Most of the shots I have seen it looks like the 72nd kit ie front end looks weird. Might be ok canopy up to break the look of the wrong lines from the overblown canopy and the nose issue. Still the best Flanker we have is the Kinetic Su-33 then the 32nd kit combined with the nose canopy replacement by Chris. Edited February 24, 2016 by dehowie Quote Link to post Share on other sites
falcon04 Posted February 24, 2016 Author Share Posted February 24, 2016 The HB 1/48 scale J-11B and two-seater - look like scaled-up versions of the Trumpeter 1/72 scale Flankers - complete with angled mainwheel bays. If that's the case - and HB release all of the versions that Trumpeter have kitted - you will get.... J-11B Su-30MKK Su-27UB Su-27 (Early) Su-27 .... and maybe (its a completely new mould and differs from the above).... J-15 Ken Ken; "What thuh hayull is thayut ???" Image of one of the sprues - vertical stab protrusion - on the BM site. ??? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gb_madcat_sl Posted February 25, 2016 Share Posted February 25, 2016 Ken; "What thuh hayull is thayut ???" Image of one of the sprues - vertical stab protrusion - on the BM site. ??? It is an anti-flutter weight found on early Flankers. You can barely make it out in the photo below. Mark Quote Link to post Share on other sites
galfa Posted February 25, 2016 Share Posted February 25, 2016 If they haven't fixed the nose/canopy on the single seater then it will simply look wrong canopy down. ... Can you elaborate about what looks wrong ? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Flankerman Posted February 25, 2016 Share Posted February 25, 2016 As Mark says - it's the anti-flutter weight seen on early production Su-27's. That proves they're doing a Su-27(Early) - same as the Trumpeter 1/72 scale kit...... (the fin-tip damage from the P-3 is my mod to the kit) Ken Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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