Alpagueur Posted March 11, 2016 Share Posted March 11, 2016 what could be an interesting belly loadout for the #499? any pics? what's the name of that Python 3 (port) pylon? is it possible to mount an identical one at the starboard side? who makes it in 1/48 and 1/32 scale? TIA. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mingwin Posted March 11, 2016 Share Posted March 11, 2016 i don't know if it can help you, but here's a photo of #498 carrying what seems to be a F-16 fuel tank on the centerlineLINK Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Sentry30 Posted March 11, 2016 Share Posted March 11, 2016 i don't know if it can help you, but here's a photo of #498 carrying what seems to be a F-16 fuel tank on the centerlineLINK That is a normal F-4 tank with the end cap missing (seems to be an Israeli thing).. Daniël Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Platycqb Posted March 11, 2016 Share Posted March 11, 2016 with the end cap missing (seems to be an Israeli thing).. Is that related to circumcision? I'll show myself out. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Helmsman Posted March 11, 2016 Share Posted March 11, 2016 I doubt this as they don't practice female circumcision in Israel. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Platycqb Posted March 11, 2016 Share Posted March 11, 2016 I doubt this as they don't practice female circumcision in Israel. Is a fuel tank considered female? I don't know where this conversation is going... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Pete Posted March 11, 2016 Share Posted March 11, 2016 (edited) From what I read/see in my Double Ugly book, pretty much the only thing they would carry on the centreline was a fueltank. This makes sense. They only had three of these F-4E(S)'s made, which were no doubt quite expensive. They had one job to do, taking pictures. Using them for other missions, like bombing, would only highten the risk of getting shot down or crashing. The Sparrow bay launcher adaptor was only cleared for AIM-9's, I think. Python 3's would be fitted on the inboard pylons instead. And from what I've seen, the adaptor was only fitted on the right side. You could put an ECM pod in the front left missile well. There's also a pic in the book where there are two chaff/flare launchers fitted into the rear missile wells. Edited March 11, 2016 by Pete Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Finn Posted March 11, 2016 Share Posted March 11, 2016 Here is a walkaround of an F-4ES: http://www.primeportal.net/hangar/isaac_gershman/f-4es_498/ the pods on the rear wells are shown. Jari Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Helmsman Posted March 11, 2016 Share Posted March 11, 2016 Is a fuel tank considered female? I don't know where this conversation is going... I've heard ship and aircraft are often referred to as "she" in English. They're both male in Hebrew and Russian though. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
kurnass77 Posted March 12, 2016 Share Posted March 12, 2016 I've heard ship and aircraft are often referred to as "she" in English. They're both male in Hebrew and Russian though. And in Italian...As Pete stated,the IR missile adapter for the forward Sparrow bays was cleared to use the 'Winder family only. You can seen the adapter on the left or right station anyway. The rear chaff dispenser was pratically a permanent fixture. On tha Double Ugly books you can see the planes armed with the standard fuel tanks,the 'Winders on the Sparrows adapters or the inner pylons and warious American.made ECM pods ( principally ALQ-101 or 119 ) in one of the Sparrow bays or the inner pylons. So you've some load configuration at your choice! Cheers, Gianni Quote Link to post Share on other sites
habu2 Posted March 14, 2016 Share Posted March 14, 2016 Were these the Big Safari jets with the HIAC cameras? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Antoine Posted March 14, 2016 Share Posted March 14, 2016 From what I read/see in my Double Ugly book, pretty much the only thing they would carry on the centreline was a fueltank. This makes sense. They only had three of these F-4E(S)'s made, which were no doubt quite expensive. They had one job to do, taking pictures. Using them for other missions, like bombing, would only highten the risk of getting shot down or crashing. Indeed! The main reason for the Kurnass to carry the pylon was to gave him the ability to carry IR self-defense missile while keeping the inner wing station completely free for some heavy weapons. For the F-4E(S), I suppose it gives the possibility to keep the aircraft as clean as possible while keeping a self-defense mean, that is one centerline tank, one ECM pod with one pylon/IR missile instead of the two inner pylons with AIM-9 launchers needed otherwise. That's a plus for an high speed run over/aside the target. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Andre Posted March 14, 2016 Share Posted March 14, 2016 Were these the Big Safari jets with the HIAC cameras? Yup: http://www.joebaugher.com/usaf_fighters/f4_15.html Cheers, Andre Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Alpagueur Posted March 14, 2016 Author Share Posted March 14, 2016 (edited) thank you all guys. Here is a walkaround of an F-4ES: http://www.primeportal.net/hangar/isaac_gershman/f-4es_498/ I see a GBU-8 Hobos... have they ever carried that huge bomb (inner wing pylon) together with AGM-142 Popeye bomb (inner wing pylon)? Edited March 14, 2016 by Alpagueur Quote Link to post Share on other sites
kurnass77 Posted March 14, 2016 Share Posted March 14, 2016 (edited) Indeed! The main reason for the Kurnass to carry the pylon was to gave him the ability to carry IR self-defense missile while keeping the inner wing station completely free for some heavy weapons. For the F-4E(S), I suppose it gives the possibility to keep the aircraft as clean as possible while keeping a self-defense mean, that is one centerline tank, one ECM pod with one pylon/IR missile instead of the two inner pylons with AIM-9 launchers needed otherwise. That's a plus for an high speed run over/aside the target. And also,as a high specialised and costly aircraft in the IDF/AF inventory,the primary defense is a high speed dash away from any eventual A/A threat,engaging it as a last resort,the primary goal is to save the intelligence/pics collected during the mission. About the conversions both Cutting Edge and AIRDoc made a 1/48 set. Gianni Edited March 14, 2016 by kurnass77 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Antoine Posted March 14, 2016 Share Posted March 14, 2016 That's what I mean by "self-defence". Quote Link to post Share on other sites
kurnass77 Posted March 14, 2016 Share Posted March 14, 2016 thank you all guys. I see a GBU-8 Hobos... have they ever carried that huge bomb (inner wing pylon) together with AGM-142 Popeye bomb (inner wing pylon)? No, this photo is taken at the IDF Museum,the Hobos can be carried from all standard Kurnass,same for the Popeye but using a special multi-purpose locally developed new inner pylon. Gianni Quote Link to post Share on other sites
kurnass77 Posted March 14, 2016 Share Posted March 14, 2016 That's what I mean by "self-defence". :thumbsup: Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DarkKnight Posted March 15, 2016 Share Posted March 15, 2016 use the air doc conversion its the best one, the cutting edge isnt as good, the airdoc also has cockpit instrument panels Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mingwin Posted March 15, 2016 Share Posted March 15, 2016 use the air doc conversion its the best one, the cutting edge isnt as good, the airdoc also has cockpit instrument panels lets hope that WingManModels re-pop that now very rare OOP resin set... i'm after since a few years and fail to find yet... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Alpagueur Posted March 15, 2016 Author Share Posted March 15, 2016 use the air doc conversion its the best one, the cutting edge isnt as good, the airdoc also has cockpit instrument panels which conversion? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Andre Posted March 15, 2016 Share Posted March 15, 2016 which conversion? http://www.hyperscale.com/2007/reviews/accessories/airdoc48012reviewrk_1.htm Cheers, Andre Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Alpagueur Posted March 15, 2016 Author Share Posted March 15, 2016 http://www.hyperscale.com/2007/reviews/accessories/airdoc48012reviewrk_1.htm what a beauty! who makes Popeyes in this scale? could I use them in the wing inner pylons? cheers Quote Link to post Share on other sites
scotthldr Posted March 15, 2016 Share Posted March 15, 2016 Paragon AGM-142 Popeyes are still available and there's a company based in Korea called MK1 Design that also do them. You'll find both on Ebay. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mrvark Posted March 15, 2016 Share Posted March 15, 2016 Popeyes and their data link pods are also found in a number of Academy kits: 1:48 F-111C, F-15I and 1:32 F-16I off the top of my head. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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