neffan01 Posted February 3, 2015 Share Posted February 3, 2015 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Sebastijan Posted February 4, 2015 Share Posted February 4, 2015 That looks like a normal Flanker nose... Hope Quickboost and the likes will try to correct this. Note that it is not in 1:72 but 1:35 ;) Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Flankerman Posted February 4, 2015 Share Posted February 4, 2015 What's the difference Seb ?? I thought that the KUB had a 'normal' Flanker nosecone - or am I missing something ??? Ken Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ijozic Posted February 4, 2015 Share Posted February 4, 2015 (edited) I thought that the KUB had a 'normal' Flanker nosecone - or am I missing something ??? Ken It seems quite apparent from the 3D model and the photo showing it next to the Su-33 that the KUB has a somewhat shorter nose. Edited February 4, 2015 by ijozic Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Sebastijan Posted February 4, 2015 Share Posted February 4, 2015 It seems quite apparent from the 3D model and the photo showing it next to the Su-33 that the KUB has a somewhat shorter nose. yeah that's what I was thinking - although if you look at the photo where it is flying in formation with a single-seater, both randomes seem the same. Looks like another of those complex geometries where there's something bothering you and you don't know exactly how to rectify the problem. Similar to Flanker spine shape. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Flankerman Posted February 4, 2015 Share Posted February 4, 2015 (edited) Vairy eeeeenteresteeeng...... (for those of a certain age)..... I just dug out the Aviatsiya i Vremya drawings of the Su-33 and Su-33UB and they show that the Su-33UB radome is indeed about 4mm shorter in 1/72 scale.... I don't know how accurate the drawings are - but the published length of both is..... Su-33 21.185m Su-33UB 21.2m ... a difference of .015m - which in 1/72 scale according to my trusty calculator is a mere 2mm. So, it is shorter - but only slightly ! Ken PS - Isn't this fun !! Edited February 4, 2015 by Flankerman Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Mfezi Posted February 4, 2015 Share Posted February 4, 2015 Su-33 21.185m Su-33UB 21.2m ... a difference of .015m - which in 1/72 scale according to my trusty calculator is a mere 2mm. I think you missed a zero somewhere... Difference = 21.200m - 21.185m = 0.015m So far so good... 0.015m = 15mm In 1/72nd scale: 15/72 = 0.21mm So, basically not 2mm, but 1/5 of a mm. You would literally not be able to see it on a 1/72nd scale model. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
niki4703 Posted February 6, 2015 Share Posted February 6, 2015 There are two aspects here, I think: one - the real deal and two - the scale replica. One: While there is as good as no doubt regarding the figures and both things are [almost] the same length, there seems to be a difference in the shape of the nosecones between the regular Flanker and the naval two-seater: I think that if the figures are indeed right, then the only explanation for the differing shape of the nosecone is the fact that the diameter of the fuselage plug it joins with is bigger than on the standard Flanker. There are on the KUB two seated side by side with a corresponding, most likely, wider fuselage en-lieu of the single-seater usual cross-section. I don't know if scale plans refer to this aspect and I could most certainly be wrong, but I don't think that the two planes have the same nosecone... Two: The model shown on Trumpeter's shelves at Nürnberg could be A-OK, could suffer from painting issues (white portion of nosecone carried too far back) or could simply ignore the slightly different dimensions in the forward fuselage/ nosecone area of the real deal and just make use of already tooled parts (i.e. use the same nosecone as the single-seater). ...or I could be wrong altogether and this discussion never took place :) Quote Link to post Share on other sites
hemspilot Posted February 6, 2015 Share Posted February 6, 2015 Shape of radome is different because the cockpit slopes more and the fuselage is taller at the base of the windshield. The length maybe similar but tge shape is blunter, almost like a production F-111B. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
hemspilot Posted February 6, 2015 Share Posted February 6, 2015 The profile for the '33KUB posted by Ken is wrong, it seems more like a '34 cockpit. The '33KUB is taller to improve deck landing visibility. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Berkut Posted January 30, 2016 Share Posted January 30, 2016 (edited) Looks like the release is planned for March-April timeframe. Edited January 30, 2016 by Berkut Quote Link to post Share on other sites
neffan01 Posted January 30, 2016 Share Posted January 30, 2016 Can't wait ... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Laurent Posted January 30, 2016 Share Posted January 30, 2016 I don't know how accurate the drawings are I'd be VERY cautious about them. Canopy base length carried to the windscreen base. Windscreen on AiV seem to be too long. Rough and quick Paint demo. If the kit is based on the AiV drawings, I think accuracy will have to be left aside. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
neffan01 Posted April 4, 2016 Share Posted April 4, 2016 NEWS :rolleyes:/> http://scalemodels.ru/news/10036-Trumpeter-su-33ub-1-72-01669.html Quote Link to post Share on other sites
neffan01 Posted April 5, 2016 Share Posted April 5, 2016 I think we will need a correct nose cone :unsure:/>/> Quote Link to post Share on other sites
hemspilot Posted April 6, 2016 Share Posted April 6, 2016 I think we'll need more than just a replacement radome. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
cag_200 Posted April 19, 2016 Share Posted April 19, 2016 (edited) I am in the wrong thread someone was asking around for a descent sea flanker picture with folded wings. Edited April 19, 2016 by cag_200 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Flankerman Posted April 19, 2016 Share Posted April 19, 2016 My walkround of the 'proper' Su-33 (albeit an early testbed) is here. All the wingfold photos you need. The Su-33UB wing fold is completely different - the fold line is further outboard - but no published pics of it have surfaced yet. Ken Quote Link to post Share on other sites
neffan01 Posted April 20, 2016 Share Posted April 20, 2016 Difference between trumpeter and real SU-33UB Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Dmanton300 Posted May 5, 2016 Share Posted May 5, 2016 Has anyone actually got one of these yet? It's very rare for a new Flanker variant to go on sale and not be thoroughly examined on here! But so far just supposition and questions without answers. Most odd, unless it really hasn't been released yet? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Mizar Posted May 5, 2016 Share Posted May 5, 2016 nope,still not in any Ace Combat game so have no interest on it sorry :P Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Flankerman Posted May 5, 2016 Share Posted May 5, 2016 (edited) Difference between trumpeter and real SU-33UB No - that's the difference between the Trumpeter artists impression of a Su-33UB from the kit painting guide and another artists rendition of a Su-33UB (as originally printed in Andrei Fomin's Su-33 book.) Let's not write it off before it hits the model shops. Ken Edited May 5, 2016 by Flankerman Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Laurent Posted May 5, 2016 Share Posted May 5, 2016 No - that's the difference between the Trumpeter artists impression of a Su-33UB from the kit painting guide and another artists rendition of a Su-33UB (as originally printed in Andrei Fomin's Su-33 book.) Trumpyboss, Kitty Hawk and probably others use side/top/bottom views of the CAD model to design the painting guide. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
hemspilot Posted June 2, 2016 Share Posted June 2, 2016 (edited) SU-33UB is here, got it on Ebay from a local dealer (cheaper than the single seater). Anyway, cockpit does not offer the access trap in the rear bulkhead and there does not seem to be enough space to allow a fully grown man (let alone one in G-suit and exposure suit with a helmet on) to sneak in between the seats. Nose gear well is completely devoid of any detail. Not sure about the shape of the nose cone and canopy, I am planting fruit trees now, maybe tonight. No canards leading edge kink and no Thrust Vectoring Nozzles. Edited June 2, 2016 by hemspilot Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Flankerman Posted June 3, 2016 Share Posted June 3, 2016 No canards leading edge kink and no Thrust Vectoring Nozzles. They came later - the early flights lacked both. Thanks for the post - can't wait for the photos. Ken Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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