Wolf_el_Real Posted January 22, 2015 Share Posted January 22, 2015 Guys What is the right color for Mig-21s cockpit (F,PF) variants, green (turquoise) or gray? In the PF Eduard's box the PE are grey... Regards Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Laurent Posted January 22, 2015 Share Posted January 22, 2015 Black IP and grey cockpit if the aircraft isn't Czech. Could be green if it is. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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Jennings Posted January 22, 2015 Share Posted January 22, 2015 I don't think Czech built F-13s had green cockpits when built. The green cockpit didn't come into use until well into 2nd generation Fishbed production (around 1966-67). Lacking photos to prove otherwise, I'd go with grey cockpits for the earlier versions. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Wolf_el_Real Posted January 22, 2015 Author Share Posted January 22, 2015 F, FL, P and PFM variants was grey cockpits? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Andrew D. the Jolly Rogers guy Posted January 23, 2015 Share Posted January 23, 2015 From what I've found, it seems PFM was the dividing point between gray/black and turquoise green. Most PFM's had the green, but some early batches still used the gray. That's where the switch occurred. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Jennings Posted January 23, 2015 Share Posted January 23, 2015 That's my understanding as well... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Sebastijan Posted January 23, 2015 Share Posted January 23, 2015 Czech F-13s had green cockpits as well. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Jennings Posted January 23, 2015 Share Posted January 23, 2015 I think the Czech F-13s had green cockpits after overhauls later in their lives. When originally produced in the early to mid-1960s they didn't, because not even the Soviet ones had green cockpits at that point. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
stalal Posted January 23, 2015 Share Posted January 23, 2015 Gunze H46 - Emerald Green seems the right color. But then someone argue and rightly so that the color is slightly toned down. Mixing H42 - Blue Grey, does the trick. Now the proportion depends on how your eye perceives it. Hope it helps. In my M-G-21, I used H46 right out of bottle. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JBr Posted January 23, 2015 Share Posted January 23, 2015 Czech F-13s had green cockpits as well. Well, not all and not at all times. When delivered, Czech MiG-21F-13s had grey interior color and black instrument panel. Later (probably during midlife overhauls) the interior could be repainted to dark blue-grey. The most visible change came during general overhauls, when both interior and instrument panels were painted turquoise. However as some aircraft didn't undergo G.O., they survived till the end of their service with grey/blue-grey interior and black instrument panel (some are even displayed as museum exhibits in the Czech Republic and Slovakia). Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Jennings Posted January 23, 2015 Share Posted January 23, 2015 Gunze H46 - Emerald Green seems the right color. But then someone argue and rightly so that the color is slightly toned down. Mixing H42 - Blue Grey, does the trick. Now the proportion depends on how your eye perceives it. Hope it helps. In my M-G-21, I used H46 right out of bottle. There is no "right" color. The color used in the cockpit was all over the map. I've seen them that were a light dusty green, and others that were almost fluorescent. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ya-gabor Posted January 23, 2015 Share Posted January 23, 2015 (edited) There is no "right" color. The color used in the cockpit was all over the map. I've seen them that were a light dusty green, and others that were almost fluorescent. There is one very specific interior glue/green colour used by the Russian aircraft manufacturers! It is a MYTH by Western âexpertsâ that there was a chaos in Russia and the colours were all very different. Sorry this is not true! The colour was very precise and identical, it was used even in civilian aircraft, transports of the same era and even today can be seen. Dodgy colour photos taken in very different lighting conditions, with flash, in sunlight, in the shade and who knows what kind of film type or slide will all reproduce the same colour in very different way!!!!!!!!!!! And I am not speaking of books where during preparing the photos for printing the colours go off very spectacularly! As a reference I was selling a few years ago colour chips about 3-4x2 cm in size cut up from original cockpit parts from factory fresh (they were in the original Russian brown paper packing and never seen any light) spare parts of MiG-21âs together with colour chips of that Light Grey colour used on MiG-21 MF (late production), MiG-21 bis and the early MiG-23âs. Since these were original metal parts on the reverse side you would see that particular brownish yellow âinteriorâ primer colour. So you had three original colours on those chips. I will have to have a look if I still have a few, drop me a PM if interested. Here is the Eduard photoetched parts put on the actual aircraft parts. Eduard almost go it 100% right! This is the part with the original colour, the canopy heating pipe. Best regards Gabor Edited January 23, 2015 by ya-gabor Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Sir Fondlebottom Posted January 23, 2015 Share Posted January 23, 2015 I'm interested in buying a set of those chips if you find any, it says your PM inbox is full :) Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Thomas Posted January 23, 2015 Share Posted January 23, 2015 Could you post a pic showing the interior colour please? Thanks, Thomas Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ya-gabor Posted January 23, 2015 Share Posted January 23, 2015 I'm interested in buying a set of those chips if you find any, it says your PM inbox is full :)/> Hi Sir Fondlebottom, I did some cleaning of the post box, so it should work now. Look forward to hear from you. Best regards Gabor Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Jennings Posted January 23, 2015 Share Posted January 23, 2015 There is one very specific interior glue/green colour used by the Russian aircraft manufacturers! It is a MYTH by Western âexpertsâ that there was a chaos in Russia and the colours were all very different. Sorry this is not true! Sorry Gabor, but while there may be a standard, I can state for 100% FACT that it is not universally adhered to. I've seen way too many Soviet aircraft cockpits with my own two eyeballs, and I've yet to see any two that were exactly the same color. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ya-gabor Posted January 24, 2015 Share Posted January 24, 2015 Dear Jennings, It is always a pleasure to share informations with you. I am sure you have seen many aircraft in your life time. So have I, including most of the MiG-21MFâs, MiG-21 bis, MiG-21UMâs, MiG-23MFâs, MiG-23UBâs, Mi-8âs, Mi-17âs, Mi-17PPâs, L-39ZOâs, Mi-24Dâs and Mi-24Vâs as well as ex GDR Mi-24Dâs and Mi-24Pâs (not to speak of the "small stuff" and the transports or the early jets). I have been all over them, all in all more than 200 aircraft of Russian manufacture and I have to add that not museum airframes but during their operational life both at units as well as when they were striped down to the bone during overhaul. So I have seen âa fewâ and researched / photographed them in the past 40 years. I am sure back in the US you had about the same possibilities when it comes to Russian aircraft. I know that you only believe in your own beliefs, so let it be if it makes you happy! :D There is simply no point in trying to show you anything. Best regards Gabor Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Jennings Posted January 24, 2015 Share Posted January 24, 2015 (edited) So Gabor, you're telling me that I don't know what I'm talking about because there is allegedly a "standard" paint color? Seriously? You've seen through my eyes? I've been inside at least a dozen different Soviet aircraft, ranging from fighters to helicopters to transports, and I've yet to see evidence that the "standard" color is in fact standard. The Mi-17 I flew in had such a bright green that it literally hurt your eyes. The MiG-21PFM I sat in had a *much* less intense green. This isn't casual observation. I look at these things with a modeler's eye, just as most of us do. I'm sorry, but if you haven't learned the lesson in life by this point yet, let me enlighten you: there are no absolutes, period. Edited January 24, 2015 by Jennings Quote Link to post Share on other sites
habu2 Posted January 24, 2015 Share Posted January 24, 2015 I'm sorry, but if you haven't learned the lesson in life by this point yet, let me enlighten you: there are no absolutes, period. This is absolutely true!!! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Andrew D. the Jolly Rogers guy Posted January 25, 2015 Share Posted January 25, 2015 *coughs* Ahem...I've actually seen just about the same color used in Continental Airlines MD-80's when I serviced them briefly back in '97. Was surprised; all the 737's I did were pretty much Neutral gray. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
harvy5 Posted January 25, 2015 Share Posted January 25, 2015 The whole problem with different shades of green is the color of where was made! In the Soviet Union, Czechoslovakia, the GDR was prepared the same process but these elements have been different. Therefore, after some time the color looked different. To the original question. Color cockpit version F and PF was up to the overhaul of gray. In other versions should be identified period of production. The change in color was given change in cabin lighting and especially the type of exposure to ultraviolet light used in 70th years. This is however not true Suchoi aircraft, the cockpit had always gray-blue Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Jeffbmac1 Posted January 26, 2015 Share Posted January 26, 2015 There is no "right" color. The color used in the cockpit was all over the map. I've seen them that were a light dusty green, and others that were almost fluorescent. Russian aircraft in export schemes is my thing I've seen a lot of Mig-21 cockpit photos, reference cards and photos on the net. I have seen more than one colour from 1970 exactly as described above. Maybe the majority are the Green/Blue but plenty of others too, maybe it is a colour change after upgrades or overhaul who know but there is evidence of different colours and yes I have seen some floro green ones as well but some of the green ones have chipped up to show the blue/green underneath in places. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
falcon04 Posted January 26, 2015 Share Posted January 26, 2015 (edited) MIG-21FL, India, December 2013 One of the aircraft from the Type 77 retirement flyover in 2013. Other photos I've seen have the back armor also in "turquoise". MIG-21FL C777 OCU flyover pilots w. C1151 Edited January 26, 2015 by falcon04 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
stalal Posted January 27, 2015 Share Posted January 27, 2015 @Jennings & @ya-gabor! Gabor might be right in saying there is a standard and Jennings might be right too in saying there isn't. Standards some times are not implemented. With Russian aircraft being built across territories in USSR, its quite possible standards were not implemented across the board. Also, when aircraft are sent to squadrons, there might be squadron level maintenance and repaint which changes the colors from what was handed from factory. Usage & exposure to elements must also be factored in. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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