Rich in name only Posted March 26, 2015 Share Posted March 26, 2015 This is common AModel/Modelsvit, at least if it's an Antonov. Allows options for some drastic differences like An-10 and An-12 with lots of common sprues and not much not needed (darn--I'd sure like to have some of those would-be dup parts). They seem to know how to do it. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Jennings Posted March 26, 2015 Author Share Posted March 26, 2015 There's only one basic version of the Be-12. You get both the MAD stinger and a 'bob tail' fairing to put in place of it in the kit (for the Be-12P). Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Flankerman Posted March 26, 2015 Share Posted March 26, 2015 (edited) Anyone pick up on my observation of the 'upside-down' tailplane in step 20 above ?? Either the tailplane is upside down - or the artist has shown the fins being attached upside down :woot.gif:/> I agree with Jennings though - it's looking good so far. Ken PS - I also got my Trumpeter Be-6 yesterday (a Madge in the Mail :whistle:/> ) - it also looks great on an initial fondling. I'm starting quite a collection of Taganrog-based products from Georgi Beriev - Be-6, Be-10, Be-12, Be-200 - and the Beriev-Bartini VVA-14. Edited March 26, 2015 by Flankerman Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Jennings Posted March 26, 2015 Author Share Posted March 26, 2015 Yeah, that's a little "oops" on the instruction sheet. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
janman Posted March 26, 2015 Share Posted March 26, 2015 Damn! I want that kit! Thanks for the scans, Jennings. Very nice instructions too! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Marv Posted March 26, 2015 Share Posted March 26, 2015 A very grey Be-12. The bottom of the fuelage and floats are a nice blue color, in contrast to the grey-green above. Are the undersides of the wings blue as well? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
datguy Posted March 26, 2015 Share Posted March 26, 2015 [sNIP] PS - I also got my Trumpeter Be-6 yesterday (a Madge in the Mail :whistle:/>/>/> ) - it also looks great on an initial fondling. I'm starting quite a collection of Taganrog-based products from Georgi Beriev - Be-6, Be-10, Be-12, Be-200 - and the Beriev-Bartini VVA-14. Ken- where did you get the Madge? I haven't seen it for sale in the colonies yet. Also, do you have a recommendation on a model paint for the grey on the Ukraine Be-12? It looks lighter than the Soviet/Russian standard dark grey. David Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Flankerman Posted March 26, 2015 Share Posted March 26, 2015 David, I got it from Hannants:- http://www.hannants.co.uk/product/TU01646 A bit pricey, but a must-have. As for the Ukrainian grey - Modelsvit recommend Humbrol 147 'Light Grey' - with Hu-129 'US Gull Grey' for the Soviet example. I'm not very good with exact matches - light grey, medium grey is as far as I'd go. Cheers Ken PS - I've just used Hu-147 on my Trumpeter J-15 'Flying Shark'/ Sea Flanker - and it is VERY light - almost just off-white. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Jennings Posted March 26, 2015 Author Share Posted March 26, 2015 OMG!! The Trumpeter Be-6 doesn't even have ENGINE detail? Just a blank wall inside the cowling and the (upside down) chin opening? Are you *freaking* kidding me? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
GMK Posted March 27, 2015 Share Posted March 27, 2015 Figuring out the 'gear-up' option should be interesting. Hopefully some resin wheels are released soon! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Flankerman Posted March 27, 2015 Share Posted March 27, 2015 Just a blank wall inside the cowling and the (upside down) chin opening? The 'chin' opening is shown (correctly) as being at the top - so you just attach the front cowling that way - perfectly OK. As for the lack of engine detail - that is an inexcusable omission on an expensive kit - but you can't see much in the opening anyway, so not a deal breaker. I'll post some pics later........ I agree it should have the detail. Ken PS - Maybe we should start a separate Be-6 thread..... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Flankerman Posted March 27, 2015 Share Posted March 27, 2015 (edited) OK - as promised, here are the photos..... The kit parts - note the insert to represent some sort of 'gubbins' inside the cowling.... The real thing...... A bit of gouging out of the intake and some 'shapes' inserted into the opening and job done. Shouldn't be necessary on such an expensive kit though - strike one against Trumpeter. You could fix it yourself - or wait for the resin boys...... Ken Edited March 27, 2015 by Flankerman Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Jennings Posted March 27, 2015 Author Share Posted March 27, 2015 (edited) I know the opening is at the top (it's simply an upside down Tu-4/B-29 cowling). The problem is that there's no depth to it. Also not the stunning similarity of the prop to a B-29 Ham Stan prop. How disappointing. I wonder what else about the kit they skimped on? Edited March 27, 2015 by Jennings Quote Link to post Share on other sites
GMK Posted March 28, 2015 Share Posted March 28, 2015 This is the Trump 1/48 -6? Wonder if they'll do a -12? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Jennings Posted March 28, 2015 Author Share Posted March 28, 2015 The Be-6 is 1/72 China never flew the Be-12, so I doubt they have any interest. It's taken them *forever* to get the Be-6 to market. Honestly, given what I see of their Be-6, the Modelsvit Be-12 is light years better. This is the Trump 1/48 -6? Wonder if they'll do a -12? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
kotey Posted March 30, 2015 Share Posted March 30, 2015 "I want to know everything" - it was TV programm during my childhood. About spot on port side of Be-12 fuselage. In this place inside of fuselage mounted air compressor, because of continuous vibration there are microcracks on outside surface paint - so in contact with sea water this microcracks hardly damaged factory painting enamel, so in this place at least once in the year need fresh lawer of paint. This answer i'm recieve from Kacha - hydroaviation base of the Russian Naval Aviation, this freshly painted Be-12 - for this base. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Jennings Posted March 30, 2015 Author Share Posted March 30, 2015 Outstanding! Thanks! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
punder Posted May 13, 2015 Share Posted May 13, 2015 "I want to know everything" - it was TV programm during my childhood. About spot on port side of Be-12 fuselage. In this place inside of fuselage mounted air compressor, because of continuous vibration there are microcracks on outside surface paint - so in contact with sea water this microcracks hardly damaged factory painting enamel, so in this place at least once in the year need fresh lawer of paint. This answer i'm recieve from Kacha - hydroaviation base of the Russian Naval Aviation, this freshly painted Be-12 - for this base. Great info, so glad you are doing the firefighting schemes! Just wondering if you are doing the red-striped one, RA-00073? Does anyone know what mods are necessary to convert the kit to a Be-12P? I can see extra blade antennas and such, but have not seen clear pics of the bottom (water scoops?). Quote Link to post Share on other sites
kotey Posted May 13, 2015 Share Posted May 13, 2015 Two colourful water bomer RA-00073 abd RA-00041 and at least one overal grey, wich had a emergensy landing near Veshenskaya - three this marking scheme will include in future decals. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Exluppis Posted May 13, 2015 Share Posted May 13, 2015 (edited) Two colourful water bomer RA-00073 abd RA-00041 and at least one overal grey, wich had a emergensy landing near Veshenskaya - three this marking scheme will include in future decals. Kotey, when do you expect decals to be finished? Also when we can expect your new Ka-27/28 decals in 1/48 scale? Edited May 14, 2015 by Exluppis Quote Link to post Share on other sites
kotey Posted May 13, 2015 Share Posted May 13, 2015 (edited) Be-12 decal elements is fully designed, i'm working on about instruction - usual instruction design is much more labor-consuming, than decal design - i got used to do the instruction very in detail, so Be-12 decal release i hope will be in end of June, maybe in July. About new Ka-27/28 decal in 1\72 - at my look our current decals is comprehensive, maybe now i can add few schemes, but only few, not more (as say in Russia: "better" is enemy of "good"). 1/48 Ka-27PL\28 decal will release in next 2-3 weeks, decal not avait print (yes, even our own decals avait possibilty of print in our production list), instruction is ready now, today i'm get it from printing house. Edited May 13, 2015 by kotey Quote Link to post Share on other sites
punder Posted May 13, 2015 Share Posted May 13, 2015 The bottom of the fuelage and floats are a nice blue color, in contrast to the grey-green above. Are the undersides of the wings blue as well? If you go to russianplanes dot net and search on Be-12, there is a great picture of this plane in flight, showing the bottom. The wing undersides are the same "teal" color as most of the plane, not blue like the "boat" parts. (There's a technical term there, but I can't remember it.) Wow, what a site. Some excellent Flagon photos there too. :woot.gif:/> Quote Link to post Share on other sites
punder Posted May 13, 2015 Share Posted May 13, 2015 Two colourful water bomer RA-00073 abd RA-00041 and at least one overal grey, wich had a emergensy landing near Veshenskaya - three this marking scheme will include in future decals. PERFECT, thank you sir! Well, even MORE perfect would be adding Yellow 12 above, but I am NOT complaining. I'd have to buy more kits (i.e. "collectibles") anyway. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
kotey Posted May 13, 2015 Share Posted May 13, 2015 I'll add set of all board numbers in yellow and red colours, so you can make almost any of Be-12s. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Flankerman Posted May 13, 2015 Share Posted May 13, 2015 Great info, so glad you are doing the firefighting schemes! Just wondering if you are doing the red-striped one, RA-00073? Does anyone know what mods are necessary to convert the kit to a Be-12P? I can see extra blade antennas and such, but have not seen clear pics of the bottom (water scoops?). There are quite a few changes to make a Be-12P - 'bomb bay' water doors, retractable scoops and overflow outlets in the fuselage. There are some photos of the Be-12P wot I took at Gelendzhik in 2002 here. Ken Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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