tosouthern66 Posted May 17, 2017 Share Posted May 17, 2017 (edited) Are you willing to participate in this group build? Rules: 1. Any USN Squadron commissioned before 31 December 1955 allowed. This includes any squadron number changes in the squadrons history.( Example: VFA-14 was formerly Air Det Pacflt, VT-5, VP-4-1, VF-4(1st), VF-1(1st), VF-1B(1st), VB-2B, VB-3, VB-4, VS-41, VB-41, VB-4, VA-1A, VA-14, VF-14(2nd) , established September 1919) 2. Any aircraft the squadron has flown during it's history. 3. All Scales and any aftermarket allowed. 4. No What If's Edited June 3, 2017 by tosouthern66 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
phantom Posted May 17, 2017 Share Posted May 17, 2017 Some VF-31 for me. Phantom of course. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
tosouthern66 Posted May 17, 2017 Author Share Posted May 17, 2017 44 minutes ago, phantom said: Some VF-31 for me. Phantom of course. I would have never guessed that you would build a Phantom. lol Quote Link to post Share on other sites
viper50 Posted May 17, 2017 Share Posted May 17, 2017 VS-41 Shamrocks, I have a couple different decal sheets for that one. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Rex Posted May 17, 2017 Share Posted May 17, 2017 Well, he does need to do an AC coded VF-31 Phantom while attached to ,,,,,,,,,,wait for it,,,,,,,,,CVW-8 while on the America during Northern Merger. VF-213 wearing NH works for that cruise as well. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Rex Posted May 17, 2017 Share Posted May 17, 2017 I am in, this time. I will actually take construction photos and post them, too. I'm usually terrible at the photo posting deal. But, this Group Build for me would be mostly just building what I want to build for my collection, anyway. I do have a question,,,,,,how did you come up with that particular date? It opens up quite a few questions from the participants concerning "weird stuff" such as some VA-34 aircraft being eligible, but others not. Or single tail code VF-131 being eligible, but not the 1962 VF-131, or the VFA-131 Hornets. Which wouldn't be all that bad, the answers would serve to inform a lot of modelers about the history of Navair squadrons, and the starts and stops of some of the units. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
tosouthern66 Posted May 17, 2017 Author Share Posted May 17, 2017 (edited) 1 hour ago, Rex said: I am in, this time. I will actually take construction photos and post them, too. I'm usually terrible at the photo posting deal. But, this Group Build for me would be mostly just building what I want to build for my collection, anyway. I do have a question,,,,,,how did you come up with that particular date? It opens up quite a few questions from the participants concerning "weird stuff" such as some VA-34 aircraft being eligible, but others not. Or single tail code VF-131 being eligible, but not the 1962 VF-131, or the VFA-131 Hornets. Which wouldn't be all that bad, the answers would serve to inform a lot of modelers about the history of Navair squadrons, and the starts and stops of some of the units. Rex In my opinion any squadron that has been operating for 60 years is a legacy. That would mean squadrons commissioned/established in 1957 or before. To me 57 is just an off number so I rounded it down to the nearest solid number. As for VFA-34 I would say is eligible due to the following I found on their Wiki page. So you could build anything that was VA-34,VA-35 and VFA-34. Three distinct US Navy squadrons have been designated VA-34. The first squadron to hold the VA-34 designation was in 1948, this squadron was re designated VA-35 in 1950. The second VA-34 was established in 1943 and disestablished in 1969. The third VA-34, established in 1970, was later re designated VFA-34 and is the subject of this article. Officially, the US Navy does not recognize a direct lineage with disestablished squadrons if a new squadron is formed with the same designation.[1] Often, the new squadron will assume the nickname, insignia, and traditions of the earlier squadrons. If the squadron has a link/lineage going back far enough it will be considered. Edited May 17, 2017 by tosouthern66 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
RKic Posted May 17, 2017 Share Posted May 17, 2017 It would be fun to build a historic cross-section of one of these squads. From Corsair/Hellcat through Hornet. Lord knows, there isn't enough time in GB to do that, but its fun to daydream. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Rex Posted May 17, 2017 Share Posted May 17, 2017 yeah, sort of like a huge group build version of D-Rob's set for VF-211 for the display. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
phantom Posted May 18, 2017 Share Posted May 18, 2017 16 hours ago, Rex said: Well, he does need to do an AC coded VF-31 Phantom while attached to ,,,,,,,,,,wait for it,,,,,,,,,CVW-8 while on the America during Northern Merger. VF-213 wearing NH works for that cruise as well. You nailed it. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
picknpluck Posted May 20, 2017 Share Posted May 20, 2017 What are some qualifying F-4 squadrons? I've got two 1/72 Js and an S in my stash. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Andrew D. the Jolly Rogers guy Posted May 20, 2017 Share Posted May 20, 2017 28 minutes ago, picknpluck said: What are some qualifying F-4 squadrons? I've got two 1/72 Js and an S in my stash. Just off the top of my head, I believe VF-41 would qualify for one of your J's :) They were flying F9F Panthers in the early 50's and F4U-4 Corsairs just before that, to name but a few. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
tosouthern66 Posted May 20, 2017 Author Share Posted May 20, 2017 (edited) 1 hour ago, picknpluck said: What are some qualifying F-4 squadrons? I've got two 1/72 Js and an S in my stash. As long as a squadron was established before the date picked any aircraft that that squadron has flown in the past to present is eligible. I'll post link to where I have been getting my info. It may not be the best place but is decent enough. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_Navy_aircraft_squadrons https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_inactive_United_States_Navy_aircraft_squadrons Tell all your friends, lets get enough votes to have this Group Build. I think this one will be a great idea. We get to learn a little about the squadrons and what aircraft they flew or fly during their active run. Edited May 20, 2017 by tosouthern66 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Rex Posted May 20, 2017 Share Posted May 20, 2017 a better place (because he reconciles conflicts with Fleet Locations and Allowances) is the GoNavy site. I haven't found an error on his site in a couple of years now, which means his semi-weekly updates are no longer corrections, just additional data. http://www.gonavy.jp/SqnDeploymentf.html His site pretty much matches my own database and the beginner's data in Grosneck's Attack Squadron book done for the Naval Historical Center. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Darren Roberts Posted May 20, 2017 Share Posted May 20, 2017 I'm in! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
picknpluck Posted May 20, 2017 Share Posted May 20, 2017 (edited) I believe I have a set of VF-154 decals I can use. And VF-151. In with a Phantom (or two)! Edited May 20, 2017 by picknpluck Quote Link to post Share on other sites
tosouthern66 Posted May 21, 2017 Author Share Posted May 21, 2017 (edited) We are over half way to submitting for the group build. We need 12 more to get to the magic number. Talk your friends into it or twist their arms. Guys remember the Marine Squadrons are eligible for this as well as long as it meets the required establishment date. SHould I edit the name or just add that to the rules? Edited May 21, 2017 by tosouthern66 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
tosouthern66 Posted May 21, 2017 Author Share Posted May 21, 2017 17 hours ago, Rex said: a better place (because he reconciles conflicts with Fleet Locations and Allowances) is the GoNavy site. I haven't found an error on his site in a couple of years now, which means his semi-weekly updates are no longer corrections, just additional data. http://www.gonavy.jp/SqnDeploymentf.html His site pretty much matches my own database and the beginner's data in Grosneck's Attack Squadron book done for the Naval Historical Center. Rex Thanks for the link! I had not seen that site during my search for info. I like it and have added it to my favorites!!! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
dnl42 Posted May 21, 2017 Share Posted May 21, 2017 38 minutes ago, tosouthern66 said: We are over half way to submitting for the group build. We need 12 more to get to the magic number. Talk your friends into it or twist their arms. Guys remember the Marine Squadrons are eligible for this as well as long as it meets the required establishment date. SHould I edit the name or just add that to the rules? So, VMFA-232 and VMFA-251 are OK?. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
usmcski6502 Posted May 21, 2017 Share Posted May 21, 2017 (edited) Damn. A BUNCH of Marine squadrons should qualify! VMF/VMSB/VMTB-115, - 121, -122, -212, -214, -223, -224, -225, -231, -323, -351,-513, -531, -542, and a myriad of others would apply! (Those are only the first that come to mind...) Semper, Ski Edited May 21, 2017 by usmcski6502 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
tosouthern66 Posted May 21, 2017 Author Share Posted May 21, 2017 1 hour ago, dnl42 said: So, VMFA-232 and VMFA-251 are OK?. dnl42 I checked on them and I would say they qualify. There lineage goes back far enough. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
slick95 Posted May 21, 2017 Share Posted May 21, 2017 Does VFA-122 count? Here's their wiki info as far as lineage is concerned. "There have been two distinct Navy squadrons known as the "Flying Eagles". The first was established in 1950 as VC-35, later redesignated VA(AW)-35, and then VA-122 and was disestablished in May 1991. Often, the new squadron will assume the nickname, insignia, and traditions of the earlier squadrons, but officially, the US Navy does not recognize a direct lineage with decommisioned squadrons if a new squadron is formed with the same designation.[1] In January 1999 a new Flying Eagles squadron was established as Strike Fighter Squadron 122 (VFA-122), the first squadron to operate the F/A-18E/F Super Hornet." SLICK Quote Link to post Share on other sites
tosouthern66 Posted May 21, 2017 Author Share Posted May 21, 2017 1 hour ago, slick95 said: Does VFA-122 count? Here's their wiki info as far as lineage is concerned. "There have been two distinct Navy squadrons known as the "Flying Eagles". The first was established in 1950 as VC-35, later redesignated VA(AW)-35, and then VA-122 and was disestablished in May 1991. Often, the new squadron will assume the nickname, insignia, and traditions of the earlier squadrons, but officially, the US Navy does not recognize a direct lineage with decommisioned squadrons if a new squadron is formed with the same designation.[1] In January 1999 a new Flying Eagles squadron was established as Strike Fighter Squadron 122 (VFA-122), the first squadron to operate the F/A-18E/F Super Hornet." SLICK Slick Once the GB becomes official well let the group sound off on this question. In my opinion this one would be a reach due to the original squadron was decommissioned and a new one started up. But like I said we'll put it up for a vote, so don't take my opinion as the final decision. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Aussie_superbug Posted May 21, 2017 Share Posted May 21, 2017 Whilst not my usual genre of modelling. I would be more than interested in joining this group build.. just hope the timings are ok Quote Link to post Share on other sites
tosouthern66 Posted May 21, 2017 Author Share Posted May 21, 2017 As soon as we get enough votes to submit this GB we will find out the dates then. I think we'll have some fun with this one! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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