F-16 Posted December 9, 2015 Share Posted December 9, 2015 Here are the sprue shots for the new Hobby Boss 1/48 PLA J-11B Flanker kit. 1/48 J-11B Scott CNJC-IPMS Quote Link to post Share on other sites
B.Sin Posted December 9, 2015 Share Posted December 9, 2015 Let's see how accurate it is? Hopefully not a copy of the Academy kit. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Flankerman Posted December 9, 2015 Share Posted December 9, 2015 Its a completely new mould - complete with angled wheel bays Separate flaperons, L/E slats and rudders. Slightly different layout to Trumpeters J11B - so not a direct scale-up. Not my scale - but it looks promising (apart from those wheel bays). Ken Quote Link to post Share on other sites
B.Sin Posted December 9, 2015 Share Posted December 9, 2015 It's too bad Zvezda doesn't have the resources to scare up their Su-27 to 1/48th scale.Apparently they're the only ones that got the shape correct! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ijozic Posted December 9, 2015 Share Posted December 9, 2015 (edited) Hopefully the Su-27 release isn't too far off. It doesn't look spectacular, but will probably be a quite needed alternative to the Academy kit if the price is right. The decals look pretty poor, though, but maybe it's just a flashy photo or something. Edited December 9, 2015 by ijozic Quote Link to post Share on other sites
B.Sin Posted December 9, 2015 Share Posted December 9, 2015 Hopefully the Su-27 release isn't too far off. It doesn't look spectacular, but will probably be a quite needed alternative to the Academy kit if the price is right. The decals look pretty poor, though, but maybe it's just a flashy photo or something. I'm not optimistic. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Aigore Posted December 9, 2015 Share Posted December 9, 2015 There will be ONE thing that will almost ruin it, mark my words! I dare them to positvely surprise me! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
B.Sin Posted December 9, 2015 Share Posted December 9, 2015 There will be ONE thing that will almost ruin it, mark my words! I dare them to positvely surprise me! I'm sure they'll be more than one. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Pep Posted December 9, 2015 Share Posted December 9, 2015 Looks like a vanilla Su-27 can be built from the J-11? Just a mater or removing the static strips from the nose. can anyone confirm? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Parabat Posted December 9, 2015 Share Posted December 9, 2015 Looks like a vanilla Su-27 can be built from the J-11? Just a mater or removing the static strips from the nose. can anyone confirm? Be better to wait for the Su 27 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Flankerman Posted December 9, 2015 Share Posted December 9, 2015 (edited) Looks like WS-10 AND AL-31 nozzles are included - plus two instrument panels with raised detail - but only decals for J-11. A couple of J-11 specific RWR 'bumps' on the tailcone that you would need to remove. All you need for a vanilla Su-27 are the wingtip launch rails, weapons and a decal sheet. Do-able - but why not wait?? Ken PS - Just noticed the different Su-27UB-style airbrake. Edited December 9, 2015 by Flankerman Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Janissary Posted December 9, 2015 Share Posted December 9, 2015 There has been no evidence of a two-seater (BS?) version of this kit in the works, has there? Trying to figure out if the next variant will be a Su-27 single seater, or a double seat J-11. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
F-16 Posted December 9, 2015 Author Share Posted December 9, 2015 (edited) Here is the test shot of the Su-27UB from Kens (Flankerman) website: 1/48 Test Shot Su-27UB Scott CNJC-IPMS Edited December 9, 2015 by f-16 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Jennings Posted December 9, 2015 Share Posted December 9, 2015 I know it makes no difference to a lot of people (which is perfectly fine), but the fact that they got something so utterly basic wrong as the angle of the main gear wells totally wrecks it for me. If you don't agree, that's great. It bugs me, because if they can get something that basic wrong, what else is wrong with it? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
B.Sin Posted December 9, 2015 Share Posted December 9, 2015 Oh the pain, the pain! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
F-16 Posted December 25, 2015 Author Share Posted December 25, 2015 Instructions and sprue shots are up: 1/48 Hobby Boss PLA J-11B Scott CNJC-IPMS Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Vaildog Posted December 26, 2015 Share Posted December 26, 2015 Love the box art why not release an su-15 kit showing the downing of KAL 007? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Petarvu Posted December 26, 2015 Share Posted December 26, 2015 (edited) What is the opinion on canopy shape of singleseater 1/72 kit, It is the same on 48? I did saw the same mistakes (pinched windscreen,to narrow canopy,incorrect canopy cowling etc) from Su-27UB canopy transferred to Su-27UB test shot in 48. P Edited December 26, 2015 by Petarvu Quote Link to post Share on other sites
B.Sin Posted December 26, 2015 Share Posted December 26, 2015 I wonder how bad they screwed this up? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Berkut Posted December 26, 2015 Share Posted December 26, 2015 What is the opinion on canopy shape of singleseater 1/72 kit, It is the same on 48? I did saw the same mistakes (pinched windscreen,to narrow canopy,incorrect canopy cowling etc) from Su-27UB canopy transferred to Su-27UB test shot in 48. P If the instruction sheets are an indication (in Trump/HB it is often/always(?) the case) then yes looks like the canopy is still the somehow oversized one as in the 1/72 Su-27 family kits. Which isn't shocking as every mistake in those kits seems to be replicated in the 48 scale kit. As always, they clicked on the magic "48 scale button" and didnt do a jack about fixing any of the known issues. If they just did absolutely minimal effort to improve the kit both detail and accuracy wise vs their 72 ones it really would have been a real winner. As of now it is no doubt more accurate than the old Academy kit, which is hardly an accomplishment, but could have just been extra good with minimal effort from HB's side. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Aigore Posted December 26, 2015 Share Posted December 26, 2015 I wonder why they always do this? The effort to make it better would be so little...a liittle bit more research. At some point someone just decides "It's good enough! We won't spend another cent on this!" Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Berkut Posted December 26, 2015 Share Posted December 26, 2015 (edited) This is not a fair assessment at all. Obviously, I do not have the kit yet but just looking at its pictures, you can tell they did not just upscale their 1/72 model. For starters, it has many more parts and parts distribution is completely different. Moreover, and more importantly, the single biggest mistake in their 1/72 offering, weird curvy line on the upper fuselage on the lerx area is fixed and do not exist in 1/48. It still seems to have the oversized canopy/windshield, angled wheelbays and too "narrow" LERX when viewed from the top. All these are issues that are found in their 72 kits. I am not sure actually what carvy line you are referring to, could you give an example of it on the 72 scaled kits? They do, it is a myth that they do not. Actually I remember, Trumpeter being accused of "stealing" Zactoman's upgrade in their 1/32 Flanker etc... :D/> Are you really trying to suggest Chris is lying and that trumpeter did not steal his upgrades? Chances are, if Chris never did the upgrades and hence there were no one to steal from - they wouldnt have upgraded their 32 scales kits and then used that research on the 72 and 48 scale ones. Edited December 26, 2015 by Berkut Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Andrea Bolla Posted December 26, 2015 Share Posted December 26, 2015 I am not sure actually what carvy line you are referring to, could you give an example of it on the 72 scaled kits? I think he refers to this line (picture from Flankerman J-11 build): Quote Link to post Share on other sites
B.Sin Posted December 26, 2015 Share Posted December 26, 2015 Gentleman, it's Hobbyboss, you can bet the deeds to your respective house's that they got it wrong. Believe me, I wish I was wrong, but I don't think that I am. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Berkut Posted December 26, 2015 Share Posted December 26, 2015 I think he refers to this line (picture from Flankerman J-11 build): That is um considered to be the biggest mistake of the 72 kit? Something that literally can be fixed with a sanding stick in a matter of 10min? The issues i listed (and who knows how many more) are not easily fixed with a sanding stick in 10min. And of course it wouldn't be in 1/32 or 1/48 or any scale in between; that is clearly some sort of mold issue so it is specific to the 1/72 molds and not the CAD itself. Gentleman, it's Hobbyboss, you can bet the deeds to your respective house's that they got it wrong. Believe me, I wish I was wrong, but I don't think that I am. Even if it is basically upscaled version of the 1/72 kit will all its warts, which it appears to be more or less; it is still light years ahead of the old Academy kit. The only real reason not to get the HB kit over the Acad kit is the price as it seems the HB kit is priced at twice as much as the Acad kit. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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