ChesshireCat Posted July 29, 2018 Share Posted July 29, 2018 On 7/26/2018 at 10:55 PM, 11bee said: I thought we were talking about beer? Yingling is the single oldest brewer in the USA. Plus it's pretty good beer gary Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ChesshireCat Posted July 29, 2018 Share Posted July 29, 2018 3 hours ago, 11bee said: Given that the military is spending like drunken sailors these days (no offense to my brothers in the Navy), I see no reason why the USAF can't have their cake and eat it too. Plus, unless the gist of the article is wrong, this push is coming from the USAF. It's not a BA sales campaign. If true and the USAF really wants to go this route, I see no reason why it can't happen. actually, I doubt there are four people on the entire board that have an idea how defense contracts work. gary Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Don Posted July 29, 2018 Share Posted July 29, 2018 For the record its Yuengling and it's o.k beer but never high on my list of beer choices if given other options . Carry on with the F-15 vs. F-22 vs. F-35 vs.... [enter selection here] debate. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
habu2 Posted July 29, 2018 Share Posted July 29, 2018 3 hours ago, ChesshireCat said: actually, I doubt there are four people on the entire board that have an idea how defense contracts work. Who are the other three? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
nspreitler Posted July 30, 2018 Share Posted July 30, 2018 7 hours ago, ChesshireCat said: actually, I doubt there are four people on the entire board that have an idea how defense contracts work. gary There are more than 4, but not many. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JackMan Posted July 30, 2018 Share Posted July 30, 2018 Would the F-15X be better for countries like Japan & S. Korea? Because I foresee that if there's ever going to be conflict there with certain unfriendly communist countries as their neighbors, these communists are going to be throwing LOTS of cheap fighters at them and try to overwhelm Japanese & S.Korean fighters with numerical advantage. Since the F-15X can carry more AAMs than current Japanese F-15Js and S.Korean F-15Ks, would the F-15X go someway in addressing the numerical superiority of their enemies? Just thinking out loud. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
habu2 Posted July 30, 2018 Share Posted July 30, 2018 I’ve done everything from RFP to DD250 and everything in between. Logic rarely enters into the process. It’s all numbers and dollars. (and condos and season tickets and.....) Quote Link to post Share on other sites
11bee Posted July 31, 2018 Author Share Posted July 31, 2018 Israel to purchase "advanced" F-15IA with stealth coatings and internal weapons carriage? https://www.timesofisrael.com/israel-looks-at-massive-military-aircraft-purchase-from-us-firm-boeing/ Purchase may not be the right term since they are using American money but regardless, it looks like the F-15 may have some life left in it after all. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Falconxlvi Posted August 1, 2018 Share Posted August 1, 2018 (edited) On 7/31/2018 at 9:44 AM, 11bee said: Israel to purchase "advanced" F-15IA with stealth coatings and internal weapons carriage? https://www.timesofisrael.com/israel-looks-at-massive-military-aircraft-purchase-from-us-firm-boeing/ Purchase may not be the right term since they are using American money but regardless, it looks like the F-15 may have some life left in it after all. Between Saudi and Qatari buys, the F-15 has a ton of life left. The Saudi order is for 84 new builds and the Qatari order is for 36. They are pumping jets out at St Louis right now. Long live the Eagle! Steve Edited August 1, 2018 by Falconxlvi Civility Quote Link to post Share on other sites
achterkirch Posted August 2, 2018 Share Posted August 2, 2018 Qatar also has a option for another 36 that I hear they will most likely exercise. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Whiskey Posted August 2, 2018 Share Posted August 2, 2018 Apparently Israel is back in the market for Eagles. Sources say that they are going to pause their deliveries of the F-35 at 25, buy more F-15's, then resume the F-35 purchases. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Mizar Posted August 2, 2018 Share Posted August 2, 2018 In a perfect world: We have to replace the Tomcat with another Tomcat We have to replace the F-5 with the F-20 We need a plain stealth jet and a good looking mofo build more F-23 than F-22 We have to replace both A-4 and the F-4 With Hornets The Strike Eagle is too plain Unleash the F-16XL and more F-111 We don't need the F-35 Resurrect the Avro Arrow instead This timeline is so effing wrong Luigi Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Peterpools Posted August 4, 2018 Share Posted August 4, 2018 I’ve been following the F-15X for quite some time and the real issue is: MONEY and nothing else. The Air Force would prefer more F-22’s but the cost is not only prohibitive but some of the tooling has benen destroyed and replacing it plus starting up limited production would increase the cost to even more then before and it was cost that shut down production in the first place and nothing esle. While the Eagle has a magnificent combat record and a true dog fighter, the bet and trend is for more long range engagements where stealth is the key and the new F-15X would only have some stealthy paint added as part of the upgrade. I love Eagles but it’s old technology and isn’t going to cut it plus the Air Force really doesn't want it. Stealth is the way of the future and as bad as it sounds: the day of the drone is here. Peter Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Whiskey Posted August 4, 2018 Share Posted August 4, 2018 18 minutes ago, Peterpools said: the day of the drone is here. That doesn't sound a little disconcerting at all.... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Peterpools Posted August 4, 2018 Share Posted August 4, 2018 Just the way of the future and the future is here. I started flying in 1964, first soloed in 1965 and flying was a lot different then now. There is no going back; sometimes I surely wish there was a way. Peter Quote Link to post Share on other sites
11bee Posted August 5, 2018 Author Share Posted August 5, 2018 11 hours ago, Peterpools said: plus the Air Force really doesn't want it. Stealth is the way of the future If you believe the article, the AF does want it. Still a role for a non-stealthy but fast, long-ranged aircraft with a cutting edge radar and a boatload of missiles. Especially if the US finally fields a true long range AA missile. Think of it as a good force multiplier for the stealth jets. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jpk Posted August 5, 2018 Share Posted August 5, 2018 11 hours ago, 11bee said: If you believe the article, the AF does want it. Still a role for a non-stealthy but fast, long-ranged aircraft with a cutting edge radar and a boatload of missiles. Especially if the US finally fields a true long range AA missile. Think of it as a good force multiplier for the stealth jets. Add to that Russia is still fielding only gen 4 fighters with various hardware updates and patches to make them relevant. Don't know about the Chinese aircraft but they are all built on the old Soviet hardware so how much better can it be? I am supposing their electronics are much better than the Russians though. If they can do it why can't we with new build F-15's? Do we always need to start from scratch with new and then wait 15 years and billions of dollars later to find out maybe the new isn't as good as we thought it would be. We have a known quantity in the F-15. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Geoff M Posted August 6, 2018 Share Posted August 6, 2018 U.S. military equipment philosophy has always been to have the most technologically capable equipment because the theory is it will give the best results in combat and that has generally been proven in the limited wars we have been involved in. Unfortunately the best technology is always the most expensive. The result is that each successive generation gets more capable but we get fewer and fewer each time. I remember a Russian general's reply to being told his aircraft were of inferior quality to U.S. aircraft " Yes, but quantity has a quality of its own." Personally I don't think the air force has enough planes, the navy enough ships and the army enough equipment to cover all the possible hot spots that can erupt at any given time and the wear and tear on the equipment and people is starting to take its toll. 11bee is right, a new build, updated F-15X can be a force multiplier for the F-22 and F-35. What about the Navy and the Army? Geoff M Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Wolfgun33 Posted August 6, 2018 Share Posted August 6, 2018 Correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought the idea was for the F-22's to go in, light up all the targets (A2A), then the F-15's loaded to the max with missiles fire at them all. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Waco Posted August 6, 2018 Share Posted August 6, 2018 Quote If you believe the article, the AF does want it. And if you don't believe the article, you recognize it as click-bait. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
habu2 Posted August 6, 2018 Share Posted August 6, 2018 32 minutes ago, Waco said: And if you don't believe the article, you recognize it as click-bait. Actually I recognized the article as click-bait, which is why I don't believe it. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Waco Posted August 7, 2018 Share Posted August 7, 2018 Quote Actually I recognized the article as click-bait, which is why I don't believe it. *shrug* I'll take either variation. Point is, it ain't happening. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
habu2 Posted August 7, 2018 Share Posted August 7, 2018 1 hour ago, Waco said: Point is, it ain't happening. We are certainly in agreement there. 👍 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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