Dave Williams Posted March 16, 2010 Share Posted March 16, 2010 Speaking of Boiler Plate, look what Eduard is offering for the Academy kit.Curt I had seen that before. It's for those who want to "Hasegawaize" their Academy Raptor. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Waco Posted March 16, 2010 Share Posted March 16, 2010 (edited) So how much you want'in for that kit...???... Sorry, already been sold. From what I've been told the paint is a bit rough similar to the Have Glass texture, and the details tooled by Hasegawa are for the most part accurate but just a bit exaggerated. A rough paint texture, if that was what was on the jet, might make it look dirty, or have a sandpapery finish, or look like the Greek F-16s do in short order, but it wouldn't look like armor plating all over the jet. The panels that H-gawa have created make it look like an afterthought, up-armored Humvee version of the jet. That would be inaccurate, from whomever you received that information. While there are small variances in the surface of the jet, they are nowhere near as profound as you'd think from the H-gawa kit. At best, they may be in the neighborhood of 2-3 millimeters when I've seen them. In certain pictures, the angle of the lighting can make them look significantly raised, and unfortunately, that's what I think H-gawa did in making their kit. And it is nowhere near to be found all over the jet, like they've made it. Some folks will love the H-gawa kit, simply because its H-gawa and that makes it superior in their minds. Others will love it because they improved the nose profile and gave you full intakes, 75% of which can't be seen but they're there! I am waiting anxiously to see how it looks when somebody bothers to correct that surface detail over the entire airframe. Like I said, that's beyond my personal tolerance, but I'm sure somebody will make a beautiful looking model out of it. Edited March 16, 2010 by Waco Quote Link to post Share on other sites
FTWalker Posted March 16, 2010 Share Posted March 16, 2010 Looks like a certain "Mad Riveter" has a relative with a slightly different vocation.... When my time comes to make a choice, I'll likely pick the Academy. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Berkut Posted March 16, 2010 Share Posted March 16, 2010 Seems that Hasegawa thought F-22 is a tank. Those panels looks like armor. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Murph Posted March 16, 2010 Share Posted March 16, 2010 Looks like a certain "Mad Riveter" has a relative with a slightly different vocation.... When my time comes to make a choice, I'll likely pick the Academy. It would be interesting to see the reactions if the name on the boxtop was Trumpeter and not Hasegawa. Regards, Murph Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Av8fan Posted March 16, 2010 Share Posted March 16, 2010 Netz, thanks for the link. Well, the photo etch doesn't look great to me either. Anyhow, I hope Jeff enjoys his kit and that we get to see some build pics soon. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
airmechaja Posted March 17, 2010 Share Posted March 17, 2010 I'm building the Academy kit now. My biggest complaint so far has been joining the upper and lower fuselage halves. They were so warped that it took me almost two hours off and on with Tenax to get the fit right. Maybe it was just the kit i received. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
RedHeadKevin Posted March 17, 2010 Share Posted March 17, 2010 Others will love it because they improved the nose profile and gave you full intakes, 75% of which can't be seen but they're there! On the issue of full intakes: The Academy ones are definitely too short. In order to show the intakes correctly, you'll have to scratchbuild something to represent the depth of the intakes. The intakes are very deep and curved, and taper from a roughly trapezoidal cross section to a circle. This is not easy to do with the Academy kit, and the intakes fit poorly overall anyway. The Hasegawa kit eliminates all this extra effort by giving full intake tubes. Yes, I know that you can't see past the first curve, but it's a whole buttload easier than having to figure out how to make the Academy intakes deeper. I am waiting anxiously to see how it looks when somebody bothers to correct that surface detail over the entire airframe. Amen, brother. I'm kinda waiting to see how it looks when HASEGAWA bothers to correct the surface detail. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Waco Posted March 17, 2010 Share Posted March 17, 2010 On the issue of full intakes: *snip* Oh, I know, the Academy ones are definitely too short and are very tricky to build up. I've seen a few interesting techniques using heat shrink tubing that show some promise. I personally think an aftermarket company could do well to make some one piece intakes that take them past that first bend, and...well, that's all they'd really have to do. For folks who like to use intake covers, it pretty much resolves the issue. Lotsa different ways to skin it, still ends up with dead cat fur on the wall. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
viperbite Posted March 17, 2010 Share Posted March 17, 2010 Me, will pick the Hase kit, maybe the raised panels would be some pain in the ***, but, to build a model, sometimes you need to exaggerate, as we do washing/weathering. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
tarlucan Posted March 17, 2010 Share Posted March 17, 2010 (edited) "It would be interesting to see the reactions if the name on the boxtop was Trumpeter and not Hasegawa". If it were Trumpeter, it would have riveted armour! Edited March 17, 2010 by tarlucan Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Alternative 4 Posted March 17, 2010 Share Posted March 17, 2010 Seems that Hasegawa thought F-22 is a tank. Those panels looks like armor. Its the unstealth version Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Buck Posted March 17, 2010 Share Posted March 17, 2010 Oh, I know, the Academy ones are definitely too short and are very tricky to build up. I've seen a few interesting techniques using heat shrink tubing that show some promise. I personally think an aftermarket company could do well to make some one piece intakes that take them past that first bend, and...well, that's all they'd really have to do.For folks who like to use intake covers, it pretty much resolves the issue. Lotsa different ways to skin it, still ends up with dead cat fur on the wall. Aloha Sir, Count me in on the intake covers, my favorite technique!!! :D I just ordered the Hasegawa kit, wish I had looked at this thread first... No worries of course, think A LOT of Mr. Surfacer is in order. Figure it'll be a fun project once I get back home. I'm just happy to see another Raptor on the market & hope for something a little bigger coming our way soon. Fingers crossed! Back to the sand, sun, & surf... Okay, more sun than anything else Ahui hou Mark Quote Link to post Share on other sites
dagger00 Posted March 17, 2010 Share Posted March 17, 2010 Thanks for opening this thread....I was wondering the same as you, after reading and matching values, i´ll go for the Academy one. just my humble opinion... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jonbryon Posted March 17, 2010 Share Posted March 17, 2010 Is anyone out there making a corrected nose for the Academy kit? Is such a thing even doable? For me the Academy nose is a deal-breaker. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Jeff Posted March 17, 2010 Author Share Posted March 17, 2010 Me, will pick the Hase kit, maybe the raised panels would be some pain in the ***, but, to build a model, sometimes you need to exaggerate, as we do washing/weathering. Yes, that's what I thought too... the recessed lines are exaggerate in most of our models. If you look at aircraft pictures, you really can't see the panel lines, unless it's a very dirty jet with faded out paint, like some of the Russian aircraft. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
RedHeadKevin Posted March 17, 2010 Share Posted March 17, 2010 I love intake covers! And exhaust covers! And adding that silver foil sun screen covering to cockpit canopies! And building with the landing gear up. and wrapping the whole thing in white shrink wrap, and calling it an AMARG model. Don't defend design problems with the model with "intake covers." By that reasoning, Academy could have put completely blank boxes for all the missile bays: "for folks who like to build with the doors closed, it's pretty much a non-issue." And yes, I know I'm defending Hasegawa's design problems with the skin of the airplane. But if you read most of my posts, I also qualify that by either saying "I'll wait until I see how someone handles the texture," or "Has anyone tried Mr. Surfacing it?" or offering suggestions or questions of how it might be dealt with. As someone who's tried shrink-tubing Academy's intakes, I can say that it's a tough thing to do, and frankly, a pain in the backside. Not only that, but I had to get balsa, carve and sand that, order the shrink-wrap, wait for it to arrive, then figure out how to use it. (it was the first time I worked with this material on a model.) Not to mention lots of trial and error to make sure my intake forms would fit inside the model. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Jeff Posted March 17, 2010 Author Share Posted March 17, 2010 Now, some more pics. Sorry, I didn't use the flash so the photos are taken in high ISO and appears to be grainy. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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Jeff Posted March 17, 2010 Author Share Posted March 17, 2010 Well, you guys be the judge! Anyways, I will go back to the LHS and check out the academy kit. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Av8fan Posted March 17, 2010 Share Posted March 17, 2010 (edited) Cool, More pics. Thanks for posting I guess that about covers all the sprues? No worries about the iso. I only have a camera phone that I can use to post with, and I doubt you'd be able to see anything at all. To the Gentleman with the warped parts The warping is a bit surprising. If it is really bad, maybe you can take it back to the LHS??? Get an exchange on it maybe? Edited March 17, 2010 by Av8fan Quote Link to post Share on other sites
A.C.Acikgoz Posted March 17, 2010 Share Posted March 17, 2010 hi, we all know that the nose shape and the tail size of the Academy kit is off ... when I compare the kit with the photos, yes, there is something wrong with the nose, but I did not realize the dimensions of the tail... so, does anyone have a correct line drawings of the jet to compare with the kit? if so please share with me because I couldn't find any good drawings on the web... regards Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Almansur Posted March 17, 2010 Share Posted March 17, 2010 (edited) Two comments: 1: I am at a time in my life in which I have realized to my full satisfaction that there are more good kits out there than I can possibly build, so, why waste time with the bad ones? 2: I believe that it is Mr. Hasegawa in this photo, giving an interview: Edited March 17, 2010 by Almansur Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jwest21 Posted March 17, 2010 Share Posted March 17, 2010 OK, I received mine and I am trying out sanding sticks and Mr. Surfacer right now. I do have one question. Hasegawa has fine raised lines outlining where the light gray paint is found on the leading edges and the nose- sort of like those really old kits that have the raised panel lines outlining the national emblem and other markings. Is this correct or should they be removed? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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