Raptor01 Posted December 14, 2015 Share Posted December 14, 2015 (edited) Typhoons from RAF Lossiemouth escorts the Bear. Edited December 14, 2015 by Raptor01 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Neo Posted December 14, 2015 Share Posted December 14, 2015 Nice.. Those props look awckward in the video Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ikar Posted December 14, 2015 Share Posted December 14, 2015 I've seen all sorts of intercept shots while I was in fighter squadrons from Vietnamese Beagles to Russian Bears, but have never seen it from their perspective. I also never realized the props on the Bear were shaped like that. Is that an illusion or something new? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
VIPER0177 Posted December 14, 2015 Share Posted December 14, 2015 Ikar I believe that the props look that way because they were filmed with a digital camera. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ikar Posted December 14, 2015 Share Posted December 14, 2015 Thanks, I had considered that along the way, but failed to bring it up. Why it would do that I don't know, but I think I remember seeing a distortion effect on the Pedro's wooden blades at certain angles. How is that caused? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Flankerman Posted December 14, 2015 Share Posted December 14, 2015 Thanks, I had considered that along the way, but failed to bring it up. Why it would do that I don't know, but I think I remember seeing a distortion effect on the Pedro's wooden blades at certain angles. How is that caused? It's the same reason that stagecoach wheels appear to rotate backwards in old cowboy films. It has something to do with the refresh rate of the video/film being used to film it. There are lots of video shots out there showing the effect - check out this video of a M-24 Hind with (apparently) stopped rotors..... Ken Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Gordon Shumway Posted December 14, 2015 Share Posted December 14, 2015 It's the same reason that stagecoach wheels appear to rotate backwards in old cowboy films. It has something to do with the refresh rate of the video/film being used to film it. There are lots of video shots out there showing the effect - check out this video of a M-24 Hind with (apparently) stopped rotors..... Ken The props spin looks silly because for one the videographer chose a high speed shutter and this is NOT needed in the video he was making. If he used a proper shutter speed for this situation of 1/60th second the props would have a nice motion blur. The curving of the props is accentuated by the type of "rolling" shutter most digital cameras use today. High speed shutters are only needed in photos or videos if one is trying to capture a fast moving subject relative to ones position of framing. Still a cool video from the perspective of the crew member in the TU-95. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
4scourge7 Posted December 14, 2015 Share Posted December 14, 2015 It`s becoming commonplace for Typhoons to intercept Bears, Backfires, Blackjacks, Foxhounds, Flankers, Fullbacks etc.. Plenty pics on `tinterwebesphere, but this is a nice video, as stated, from a new perspective. BTW, I`ve modeled the Typhoon in the Russian vid, do I win a Bear? Expectantly, Ian Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MoFo Posted December 14, 2015 Share Posted December 14, 2015 (edited) How is that caused? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rolling_shutter Not the same as 'Wagon wheel effect'. In fact, it's kind of the opposite - 'wagon wheel effect' happens when a camera captures individual frames at precise instants and the brain interpolates movement from the gaps between those frames; rolling shutter occurs when a camera captures individual images over a (short) period of time, so that each raw frame is distorted. You see the wagon wheel effect because your brain gets it wrong. You see rolling shutter because the camera gets it wrong. Which is why the effect is visible on still photos, too: http://s3files.core77.com/blog/images/2010/08/0sorenragsdale002.jpg Incidentally, if you own a scanner, you can simulate the effect yourself. It is, essentially, a big, slow rolling shutter, so if you put something on the bed, you can move it around as the scanner makes its pass in order to distort the image. Also, what the Bear's props actually look like: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/99/Tupolev_Tu-95MS_at_the_MAKS-2011_(04).jpg Edited December 14, 2015 by MoFo Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DarkJester Posted December 14, 2015 Share Posted December 14, 2015 I seriously like the Typhoon left hand pull away, Like, "Oh, did I show you my Weapons? Here ya go" Sorta the "I'm totally serious here" pose. Gotta love a fighter pilot. Jester Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Exhausted Posted December 15, 2015 Share Posted December 15, 2015 There will be many more escorts since the path of many Russian bombers to Syria goes AROUND Europe. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Mark M. Posted December 16, 2015 Share Posted December 16, 2015 Just to clarify, here's the props when NOT spinning: http://www.flankers-site.co.uk/tu-95_files/tu-95_27.jpg It's quite the optical illusion. It's really based on old analog tech used with rolling magnetic tape around a magnetic drum head (think VCR if you don't know what I mean), and has no place in any digital-only technology. However.... it's cheap so you find it everywhere nowadays. It leads to these effects and the others posted above. I detest it. But... then... I'm a bit of a video equipment fan. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Check Six Posted December 16, 2015 Share Posted December 16, 2015 I seriously like the Typhoon left hand pull away, Like, "Oh, did I show you my Weapons? Here ya go" Sorta the "I'm totally serious here" pose. Gotta love a fighter pilot. Jester My thoughts exactly. It's like, "Here's my junk/manhood. You want a piece of me ?!!1! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Gordon Shumway Posted December 16, 2015 Share Posted December 16, 2015 (edited) My thoughts exactly. It's like, "Here's my junk/manhood. You want a piece of me ?!!1! Yeah, it looks impressive BUT! The TU-95 can carry 6-16 KH-55 nuclear tipped cruise missiles and these have range of 1,350 na.miles. So yes, the Typhoon can kill 7 men in one TU-95, but the Bear can kill 100,000's or more people who live in the country the Typhoon pilot lives in. So in the big picture the Tu-95 has BIGGER BALLS! And if it came to the point of Typhoon crews actually attempting to shoot at the Bear's we'd be at a state of war where the nukes would fly anyways. All this and yes it's cool video and photos of TU-95 intercepts (just like back in the 60's-70's-80's) is really political folly for a faux cold war with Russia (BTW not everyone in the US political system is like a Chris Christi :lol: ). It's neeto stuff for aviation buffs like us, I love the pics and videos here. But it's all like all the other mostly bull flop diplomatic/political stuff really just a show. The large powers should all sell popcorn. Edited December 16, 2015 by Gordon Shumway Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Gordon Shumway Posted December 16, 2015 Share Posted December 16, 2015 There will be many more escorts since the path of many Russian bombers to Syria goes AROUND Europe. Um no, they fly over Iran and Iraq, with permission to enter Syrian airspace. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Jennings Posted December 16, 2015 Share Posted December 16, 2015 Um no, they fly over Iran and Iraq, with permission to enter Syrian airspace. Some of them maybe, but the Tu-95s and Tu-160s have been flying around the North Cape of Norway, down the North Sea (where the RAF has intercepted them), across the Bay of Biscay, threading through the Straits of Gibraltar, across the Med, they launch their missiles, then do their own BDA across Syria, then across Iran, up the Caspian Sea, and back to base. It was widely reported a couple of weeks ago. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Berkut Posted December 16, 2015 Share Posted December 16, 2015 Some Blackjacks have done that (there is only 2 up north) but absolute majority of the time they have started from Engels then unto Caspian sea and Iran. All of the Tu-95MS' have done that. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Exhausted Posted December 16, 2015 Share Posted December 16, 2015 Some of them maybe, but the Tu-95s and Tu-160s have been flying around the North Cape of Norway, down the North Sea (where the RAF has intercepted them), across the Bay of Biscay, threading through the Straits of Gibraltar, across the Med, they launch their missiles, then do their own BDA across Syria, then across Iran, up the Caspian Sea, and back to base. It was widely reported a couple of weeks ago. This is correct. Amazingly, Su-30s seem to escort them for some way, I wonder if it's the WHOLE way, and I wonder how many tankers they have supporting the Tupelovs. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Berkut Posted December 16, 2015 Share Posted December 16, 2015 This is correct. Amazingly, Su-30s seem to escort them for some way, I wonder if it's the WHOLE way, and I wonder how many tankers they have supporting the Tupelovs. What he has said has been correct like a couple of times. As i said they usually start from Engels which is much shorter route. And the Su-30SM's start from Syria. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Exhausted Posted December 17, 2015 Share Posted December 17, 2015 (edited) What he has said has been correct like a couple of times. As i said they usually start from Engels which is much shorter route. And the Su-30SM's start from Syria. It actually seems that many of the Blackjacks are going around Europe. I wonder why. There must be some special reason about the Blackjack circumventing Europe. Now as far as the Su-30s, are they doing a similar thing to what the US and Brits did from 1942-1944 with limited coverage? It makes me wonder why they aren't following the Tupelovs when they are most prone to interception. What's the point of the escort? If the west doesn't get them swinging around Britain when they're easy, why would they get them over Syria? PS I'm aware that the majority of strikes go through Iraq and Iran, but the paths around Europe are more fascinating to me because of the focus of Tu-160s, the 25-strong symbol of former Soviet projection, are showing up next to the airspace of Russia's supposed enemies. Interceptions near Western European countries IS the reason this thread exists. Edited December 17, 2015 by Exhausted Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DePat Posted December 17, 2015 Share Posted December 17, 2015 The most interesting part of the video was the Cigognes M2000-5. I suppose they were taken in the English Channel. Has anybody ever seen pictures of Mirages (III, F-1) intercepting Russian Bears/Bisons/Badgers during the Cold War? I know I haven't DePat Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MoFo Posted December 17, 2015 Share Posted December 17, 2015 https://acesflyinghigh.wordpress.com/2012/03/17/intercepting-the-bear/ Probably a bunch of intercepts by PAF Mirages on IAF Bears, but I'm not aware of any photos. Maybe some RAAF Mirages, too? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Raceaddict Posted December 17, 2015 Share Posted December 17, 2015 I seriously like the Typhoon left hand pull away, Like, "Oh, did I show you my Weapons? Here ya go" Sorta the "I'm totally serious here" pose. Gotta love a fighter pilot. Jester :lol: I was just about to say the same. "Hey look... my missiles... nice, eh?" :D Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Exhausted Posted December 17, 2015 Share Posted December 17, 2015 The most interesting part of the video was the Cigognes M2000-5. DePat What does that mean? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
silver1 Posted December 18, 2015 Share Posted December 18, 2015 That's cool. My dad was a F/E on WV-2's out of Argentia, Newfoundland in the early 60s. He told me that bears would often shadow them until Phantoms or EE Lightnings would show up and the bears would pour on the gas and disappear. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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