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From this point of view it's quality control issue, agree. We've heared some rumors here that they may have been out of money at some point which made production process take so long. It can be that during this time they kept improving the 3d drawing and afterwards, when they got more funds they completely forgot to update already prepared matrixes. In the rush and under public pression most likely they just missed this.

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18 hours ago, Hubbie Marsten said:

Careful now, fellas, as the British @terrysumner over on Britmodeller has chosen to close the AMK Tomcat thread for posting.

It might as well happen to us on here, huh, Terry...?

Good move by Julien

Thats not me!

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3 hours ago, niart17 said:

Whatever guys, but please don't get this thread locked now. Yes, partially because of the novelty of getting to 300, it's a fun distraction from things here. But the main reason is now there is some really useful information being shown and discussed about the actual kit. Zacto is starting to do a really thorough look in to potential pitfalls and suggested fixes. THIS is what these discussion boards are all about. I'd hate to see some quibbling about locked threads on other sites be the downfall of this thread. Just sayin'. Please keep it on target.

 

But the irony is that with useful information only you'd be way off your targeted 300 pages. For me it's also about the truth, for a long time people tried to dismiss the kit's issues as illusions/fictions, for me a discussion forum should help to reveal the truth not the opposite, so even unrelated to the kit I just can't let that one by. Now you guys can keep it on target, now that the issues seem to be well acknowledged, I admit have nothing useful to add, personally the fix would be very simple(Tamiya or maybe GWH), I'm only curious to watch what else Zactoman or others will be revealing. 

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The only time this forum was locked or people banned is when the discourse devolved into name calling, personal attacks and outright nastiness towards others. I am not a moderator (nor do I ever desire to be one), of this forum or any other, but I think the discourse if confined to the actual plastic and what is or is not wrong with it, is perfectly fine. If the personal attacks, name calling etc. are kept out of it we should be good to go.

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What baffles me is how AMK can have one side of the model exhibit something and the other look like it was preliminary at best? If one wing was engraved properly, wouldn't you just transpose those details to the other side (assuming those details are the same)? I can't imagine the details differ from the left wing to the right. The engine nacelles? Perhaps those details do differ from one side to the other? But, again what we are seeing is an example of sloppy work in the design stage AND not indicative of a quality kit. Although the shape errors are vexing, I can at least understand how those could be a function of whatever drawings, etc. AMK may have used. But, the difference in the panel lines is just pure sloppiness and more indicative of a HobbyCrap kit, than something molded in 2019. You also can't justify those kinds of mistakes, since it isn't a problem of interpretation or aesthetic. I always said judge the plastic and the first votes are in and it ain't good for the incumbent.

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17 hours ago, Zactoman said:

 

We're discussing a popular model subject on a model discussion forum and doing so in a civil maner.

Why would you want to shut down free speech?

 

 

The slats do angle downward:

Slat_droop_zps8lf8p2kp.jpg

 

 

You can see 3 different finished builds here; https://www.britmodeller.com/forums/index.php?/topic/235061980-148-amk-usn-vf-31-f-14d-super-tomcat-tomcatters/

The VF-31 build includes a top view. Nice build but note that the angle of the left slat is a bit different than that on the right.

On page 2 the VF-2 build has modified slats that are only partially extended.

Towards the bottom of page 2 there is a VF-213 build with fully extended slats.

 

I previously asked why there was a big gap between the inboard slat edge and the wing root but nobody with the kit replied. I think I've figured out why.

Note the difference between the red line and the slat at the root and towards the wingtip and angle the slat sits at:

Slat_fit_zpsqo1ipmhg.jpg

 

I don't have measurements but they should be closer to parallel with only a slight angle, something like this:

Slat_fit_fix_zpsud2z6eo1.jpg

Note how changing the angle reduced the big gap between the slat and the root.

To fix this the modeler is going to need to extend the slots the slats fit into and tweak the slat guide rails.

 

:cheers:

Thank you for taking a look, it just looked off to me.

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From design perspective, the panel lines/rivets are generally added to CAD texture surface as a single layer.

So may be due to some certain reason the rivet layer was forgotten to be added into the mold making process which is generally done by CNC machines.

Pls correct me if my knowledge is wrong as an amateur.

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Part of the issue with the slat/wings is that AMK didn’t mold the slat bay. They molded the wing smooth all the way and there should be a recessed bay for the slat. So I see in all the builds, people don’t have a mark for where to paint the red. Some have lots of red vs some with almost no red. And if you do too much either way, it looks off. 

Brian 

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Missing details on the wind and the air intake are indeed serious issues, as it takes great skill to fix them and also appear symmetrical to the other side of the model. The fact that they are at the under side, is simply irrelevant. If this was a valid thing, then we would not paint our models on the under side either...

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9 hours ago, Brian P: Fightertown Decals said:

Part of the issue with the slat/wings is that AMK didn’t mold the slat bay. They molded the wing smooth all the way and there should be a recessed bay for the slat. So I see in all the builds, people don’t have a mark for where to paint the red. Some have lots of red vs some with almost no red. And if you do too much either way, it looks off. 

Brian 


Lol. They’ve done what every Skyhawk kit producer couldn’t. 
 

Mark

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25 minutes ago, gb_madcat_sl said:


Lol. They’ve done what every Skyhawk kit producer couldn’t. 
 

Mark

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10 hours ago, haneto said:

From design perspective, the panel lines/rivets are generally added to CAD texture surface as a single layer.

So may be due to some certain reason the rivet layer was forgotten to be added into the mold making process which is generally done by CNC machines.

Pls correct me if my knowledge is wrong as an amateur.

if it were simply a matter of one complete side or area missing I could see that, but there are details on each, they just don't match in regards to what's there and how fine they are. But at this point, it's up to the company to figure out how it happened, now is when we need to figure out the best way to fix it etc....

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we need to fix it?  that says alot from those who haven't seen the kit at all, let alone tried to build it. 

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But how could one possibly build a kit that is unbuildable?!?!

 

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1 hour ago, zerosystem said:

we need to fix it?  that says alot from those who haven't seen the kit at all, let alone tried to build it. 

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So you're saying that Zacto is showing doctored images of the kit or something? You're saying that there are no missing rivet details and mismatched panel lines etc... on the bottoms of the wings? Your build pics are amazing and it looks like you're doing a wonderful job on your build. But just because you're building it and are doing good on it doesn't mean that what's being pointed out is false. Those things don't matter to you then fine, proceed with your build and post your glowing review of the kit if you so choose. But please stop with the judgmental posts about those that might care about such things. 

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3 hours ago, gb_madcat_sl said:


Lol. They’ve done what every Skyhawk kit producer couldn’t. 
 

Mark

 

Except for Classic Airframes with their TA-4J.

 

Cheers,

 

John

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40 minutes ago, niart17 said:

So you're saying that Zacto is showing doctored images of the kit or something? You're saying that there are no missing rivet details and mismatched panel lines etc... on the bottoms of the wings? Your build pics are amazing and it looks like you're doing a wonderful job on your build. But just because you're building it and are doing good on it doesn't mean that what's being pointed out is false. Those things don't matter to you then fine, proceed with your build and post your glowing review of the kit if you so choose. But please stop with the judgmental posts about those that might care about such things. 

Nope, I’m saying I’m building it to find out for myself.  I haven’t found the same issues that others have about the panel lines on the parts.

 

Missing rivets is subjective as well as the slat wells because these are things that have been criticized on others kits from having.

 

my review won’t be glowing as there are a number of engineering choices that have baffled and frustrated me.  In the end it’s been both fun and frustrating, which is kinda the hobby

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10 minutes ago, zerosystem said:

I haven’t found the same issues that others have about the panel lines on the parts.


Are you saying that your kit doesn’t have the mismatched scribing others have posted pics of?
 

Or are you commenting on the depth/width of the scribed panel lines?

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4 hours ago, zerosystem said:

Missing rivets is subjective as well as the slat wells because these are things that have been criticized on others kits from having.

 

I'm sorry, but this statement just doesn't make sense. How can missing rivets and slat wells be subjective? If they are observable and reproducible in photographs, then they are fact and the observation is objective. What others might say about different kits has no bearing on this discussion. Or are you implying what niart17 has asked about, that Zactoman and others have falsified the images.

 

4 hours ago, zerosystem said:

Nope, I’m saying I’m building it to find out for myself.  I haven’t found the same issues that others have about the panel lines on the parts.

 

It is very laudable that you are building and examining the kit for yourself. Are you saying that the issues pointed out by Zactoman do not exist on your kit? Are there then different versions of the kit and some have inconsistent details and others don't? I'm trying to equitable here but I am having a hard time understanding what you are trying to convey.

 

I am trying not to make this sound like a personal attack because that is not what this is. I am trying to understand what you are saying. I think there is some miscommunication occurring here and perhaps what we are inferring from your statements is not what you are try to say.

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On 11/8/2019 at 8:43 AM, niart17 said:

So you're saying that Zacto is showing doctored images of the kit or something? You're saying that there are no missing rivet details and mismatched panel lines etc... on the bottoms of the wings? 

Zactoman did go to the Area 51raid. Maybe they implanted a chip like all the ppl that sa aliens 🥴

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On 11/8/2019 at 3:30 PM, zerosystem said:

I haven’t found the same issues that others have about the panel lines on the parts.

I am interested in this aswell, This almost sounds like there are two versions out there. Maybe preproduction examples or something like that?

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On 11/7/2019 at 10:17 AM, Zactoman said:

More molding issues and inconsistencies...

 

The undersides of the dirty wings have a bunch of missing rivets on one wing and the rivets that are there are finer than those on the other wing:

Wing_bottom_flaws_zps0royoltn.jpg

 

The underside of the slats have big inconsistencies.

At the top of this pic is one of the separate slats next to the clean wing fixed slat. One of these is not the same.

Note that the fixed slat has raised circles with fine holes for rivets. These could be sanded down but the rivets will likely need to deepened or lost.

At the bottom are the two separate slats. One of these is not the same.

Note that the upper slat has a row of fine dashed lines and large, soft engraved rivets while the lower slat has sharper rivets and a continuous line.

Slat_bottom_flaws_zpshcpoljuc.jpg

 

Fortunately(?), these problems are on the underside where they won't be seen as much...

 

:cheers:

 


Just had a look at my kit. Concur with the findings that rivet detail is missing from the underside of the dirty wing. 
 

However, I found my slats for both the clean and dirty wings to be molded correctly with complete panel lines and rivets. 
 

Mark

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