Alpagueur Posted October 13, 2018 Share Posted October 13, 2018 c'mon guys that part is correctable easily Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Zactoman Posted October 13, 2018 Share Posted October 13, 2018 23 minutes ago, Laurent said: The SUABs are often very vocal when stating they are Right while RC's are Wrong and that they should get a life. I believe there's an actual split between the SUABs and the RCs because their approach to scale modelling is different. The SUABs are more Miniaturists when RCs are more Modelists. A Miniaturist perceives scale modelling as some kind of art. He enjoys building kits, painting and weathering them but the subject doesn't really matter. It could be tractors, figurines. He'll buy scale modelling magazines to admire builds and improve his technics. The subject matters for the Modelist. The shapes shoud be ok, the model must depicts the features of the specific version of the subject, the amount of weathering should be realistic, etc. A non-F-14 example. Some photos of the AFV Club 1/48 U-2 have been posted. The Miniaturist will see a nicely detailed kit. The Modelist will see the base of the windscreen and wonder if it could be fixed without an aftermarket part. While I agree with your description of the two categories, I think you got the titles wrong. I consider the two categories the "rivet counters" and the "good enoughs". There are extremes on both sides. On the RC side you have "accu-nazis" and on the GE side you have the SUABs. Of these two sub-categories I find that the SUABs are more vocal and more likely to express their displeasure on forums where the ANs are more likely to whisper sweet-nothings to each other at model contests. I'd prefer that both kept it to a whisper... I happen to be a hybrid RC/GE. Most of my (previous) builds were OOB (GE) with an artistic emphasis on paint and weathering. Yes I did figures, dinosaurs, sci-fi, armor and aircraft. I even got a huge sailing ship half done. I have also done some detail builds. When it comes to kit development I'm an RC (borderline AN). As a GE I'd prefer to build a nicely detailed, as accurate as possible OOB kit rather than having to fix an issue that bothers me or add a bunch of missing obvious details. I think we all agree that we prefer more accurate kits. I think we all agree that obvious details shouldn't be omitted. Having built models for 50 years I've watched the industry evolve and the quality of kits improve leaps and bounds. Once you've built some of the higher quality kits it's hard to take a step back and build the lesser quality ones. So I have come to expect high quality with new releases, especially from top manufacturers and especially on iconic subjects. Of course there is a place for simpler "weekend edition" type kits and lower quality short run kits, but even those are expected to be reasonably accurate in shape. Having built models for 50 years I love where we have come and look forward to where we are going. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
delide Posted October 13, 2018 Share Posted October 13, 2018 (edited) 3 hours ago, serendip said: Forgive them Lord for they know not what they do. I was under the impression that apologies per definition should not be qualified or followed by a self justification. Hmmm..??? I was under the impression that Mstor was just being polite, why should he apologize anyway, for makeing SUABs feel totally butt hurt by his posts? They are just posts, why??? Edited October 13, 2018 by delide Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Petarvu Posted October 13, 2018 Share Posted October 13, 2018 All it took is ONE testshot photo and KAZAAM!! With all the effort on this thread and other regarding AMK in last few years, we could,as per latest trends,crowdfunded our own kit before they release Tomcat :-))) Quote Link to post Share on other sites
galfa Posted October 13, 2018 Share Posted October 13, 2018 After 118 pages, here we are again, it is accuracy vs inaccuracy, a kind of debate that goes on forever. What it is really interesting is that, as soon as dubts were raised, we had no more pics of this scale model. Please note that the sprues are already available to more than one member of this forum, and just one pic would be enough to show that the kit if fine. So, what takeaways? - Accuracy wise at least the rear fuselage of this kit is flawed. - No new pics will be posted because it would affect the market. As a result, if shape accuracy is important for you, before buying this kit think twice. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Mstor Posted October 13, 2018 Share Posted October 13, 2018 5 hours ago, Zactoman said: While I agree with your description of the two categories, I think you got the titles wrong. I consider the two categories the "rivet counters" and the "good enoughs". ... As usual Chris, you have summarized things very nicely. Thank you. I find myself also a hybrid RC/GE, especially as I get older. My skills have taken a big hit and I am struggling with my latest build. I will have to move more to the GE side of the spectrum. That makes accurate kits more important. When I work on a kit, I like to do lots of research, look at lots of photos, read about the aircraft. That tends to make errors or inaccuracies in the kit more apparent. In the past I would try to correct those errors. Now, its just too difficult. So, a kit that has the details and accuracy out of the box is going to get my money. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Don Posted October 13, 2018 Share Posted October 13, 2018 So......when will the AMK F-14D finally be released... ...oh come on, someone had to post the question to lighten the mood.... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
B.Sin Posted October 13, 2018 Share Posted October 13, 2018 (edited) I really don't care when it's released, and long as they make it as accurate, and as detailed as they possibly can! Edited October 13, 2018 by B.Sin Quote Link to post Share on other sites
dryguy Posted October 13, 2018 Share Posted October 13, 2018 So, how many of you guys are going to buy the new Heatblur Simultions F14 for DCS? Been looking at the videos on youtube of its impending release, and I think I will have to get back into flightsims just for this... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Dave Roof Posted October 13, 2018 Share Posted October 13, 2018 4 hours ago, galfa said: So, what takeaways? - Accuracy wise at least the rear fuselage of this kit is flawed. As a result, if shape accuracy is important for you, before buying this kit think twice. There is absolutely no proof of this whatsoever and your matter of fact statement is the only thing that is flawed. Beside that, with knowledge of your ridiculous expectations of what makes a good kit, some of us can't take anything you say about accuracy seriously. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
GunsightOne Posted October 13, 2018 Share Posted October 13, 2018 6 hours ago, galfa said: After 118 pages, here we are again, it is accuracy vs inaccuracy, a kind of debate that goes on forever. What it is really interesting is that, as soon as dubts were raised, we had no more pics of this scale model. Please note that the sprues are already available to more than one member of this forum, and just one pic would be enough to show that the kit if fine. So, what takeaways? - Accuracy wise at least the rear fuselage of this kit is flawed. - No new pics will be posted because it would affect the market. As a result, if shape accuracy is important for you, before buying this kit think twice. Don't forget the overly-raised slimelights on the forward fuselage. Granted, that particular flaw can be rectified fairly easily. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Geoff M Posted October 13, 2018 Share Posted October 13, 2018 There are probably a dozen or so people who take this thread seriously, the rest of us are just watching a train wreck. 😁 Geoff M Quote Link to post Share on other sites
galfa Posted October 14, 2018 Share Posted October 14, 2018 8 hours ago, Dave Roof said: There is absolutely no proof of this whatsoever and your matter of fact statement is the only thing that is flawed. Beside that, with knowledge of your ridiculous expectations of what makes a good kit, some of us can't take anything you say about accuracy seriously. Very, very interesting. Why you didn't quote me entirely ? So, what takeaways? - Accuracy wise at least the rear fuselage of this kit is flawed. - No new pics will be posted because it would affect the market. As a result, if shape accuracy is important for you, before buying this kit think twice. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ChesshireCat Posted October 14, 2018 Share Posted October 14, 2018 14 hours ago, galfa said: After 118 pages, here we are again, it is accuracy vs inaccuracy, a kind of debate that goes on forever. What it is really interesting is that, as soon as dubts were raised, we had no more pics of this scale model. Please note that the sprues are already available to more than one member of this forum, and just one pic would be enough to show that the kit if fine. So, what takeaways? - Accuracy wise at least the rear fuselage of this kit is flawed. - No new pics will be posted because it would affect the market. As a result, if shape accuracy is important for you, before buying this kit think twice. Your post tells me all is good with the kit, as some of us read you like a book! Glt Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ChesshireCat Posted October 14, 2018 Share Posted October 14, 2018 9 hours ago, Dave Roof said: There is absolutely no proof of this whatsoever and your matter of fact statement is the only thing that is flawed. Beside that, with knowledge of your ridiculous expectations of what makes a good kit, some of us can't take anything you say about accuracy seriously. Plus eighty six on that statement!!!!!!! Gary Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Berkut Posted October 14, 2018 Share Posted October 14, 2018 17 hours ago, Dave Roof said: There is absolutely no proof of this whatsoever and your matter of fact statement is the only thing that is flawed. Beside that, with knowledge of your ridiculous expectations of what makes a good kit, some of us can't take anything you say about accuracy seriously. Exactly. 👍👍 8 hours ago, galfa said: Very, very interesting. Why you didn't quote me entirely ? So, what takeaways? - Accuracy wise at least the rear fuselage of this kit is flawed. - No new pics will be posted because it would affect the market. As a result, if shape accuracy is important for you, before buying this kit think twice. No. You are basing it on one (1) picture taken in terrible light conditions and literally ignoring every other sprue shot or CAD's. Unless you think that magically CAD changed for worse in that one area pretty much overnight right before tooling, the only logical answer would otherwise be bad lightning and you jumping the gun. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
dryguy Posted October 14, 2018 Share Posted October 14, 2018 (edited) Berkut and Dave, just trying to clarify what I think Mstor is saying, is that the on the rear fuselage of the actual plane, above the rear portion of the stab, isn't as smooth of a curve as it would initially seem. It appears to have a sort of very subtle 'double bump' before terminating at the afterburner. After much looking at the pictures, it appears that he is right. Having said that, this shape is extremely, I mean extremely subtle. To the point where it is well within my threshold of things that do not bother me, and I am one of those f 14 nuts...nearly as bad as darren and Manuel lol! I guess also that the 'face' means more than the 'derriere' to most of us..... Point being that on balance, I still feel that this kit is definitely the one for me. Edited October 14, 2018 by dryguy Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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Petarvu Posted October 14, 2018 Share Posted October 14, 2018 Just now, Petarvu said: 19 hours ago, Geoff M said: There are probably a dozen or so people who take this thread seriously, the rest of us are just watching a train wreck. 😁 Geoff M Quote Link to post Share on other sites
tony.t Posted October 14, 2018 Share Posted October 14, 2018 Looks great. What's next? An accurate Su-15? Liked their MiG-31 a lot. Tony Quote Link to post Share on other sites
B.Sin Posted October 14, 2018 Share Posted October 14, 2018 26 minutes ago, tony.t said: Looks great. What's next? An accurate Su-15? Liked their MiG-31 a lot. Tony An accurate Su-15 would be welcome, in 1/48th scale of course. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Berkut Posted October 14, 2018 Share Posted October 14, 2018 3 hours ago, dryguy said: Berkut and Dave, just trying to clarify what I think Mstor is saying, is that the on the rear fuselage of the actual plane, above the rear portion of the stab, isn't as smooth of a curve as it would initially seem. It appears to have a sort of very subtle 'double bump' before terminating at the afterburner. After much looking at the pictures, it appears that he is right. Having said that, this shape is extremely, I mean extremely subtle. To the point where it is well within my threshold of things that do not bother me, and I am one of those f 14 nuts...nearly as bad as darren and Manuel lol! I guess also that the 'face' means more than the 'derriere' to most of us..... Point being that on balance, I still feel that this kit is definitely the one for me. I cant really comment on any other potential issues in that area as i am focusing on the original "issue" brought up by GunsightOne. Anything beyond that i dont know anything about and cant/dont comment on anyway. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
B.Sin Posted October 14, 2018 Share Posted October 14, 2018 I need to spend less time here, and more time building models! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Mstor Posted October 14, 2018 Share Posted October 14, 2018 I think we've beaten this horse to a pulp. The ball is in AMK's court. Let's wait and see what they come up with as, without further photos or someone getting there hands on plastic, we are at an impasse. Where is some input from AMK? Their last "official" post re: the F-14D was Sept 24 on the Facebook AMK fan club page and it was the pic of all the sprues laid out. They've been awfully silent of late. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Slartibartfast Posted October 14, 2018 Share Posted October 14, 2018 1 hour ago, Mstor said: Where is some input from AMK? ... They've been awfully silent of late. That's a good thing in my book. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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