Dmanton300 Posted January 23, 2017 Share Posted January 23, 2017 Protectionist import duties make foreign goods hideously expensive in Japan. Look elsewhere in Asia for such things. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mingwin Posted January 23, 2017 Share Posted January 23, 2017 (edited) 20 hours ago, The Scaremonger said: I just sold my KP kit + the Cutting Edge flap/slat/exterior and nozzle sets for $140... congrats, that's good money. i did the same, last year, when i had confirmation that the subject will be bring from (at least)two different maker! i'm also glad i'd never invested in the Ciro twin seater conversion set (even if i'd been very tempted from time to times then...) Edited January 23, 2017 by mingwin Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mig21gato Posted January 23, 2017 Share Posted January 23, 2017 (edited) Some chance for make the peruvian version, using this new kit? Edited January 23, 2017 by mig21gato Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mingwin Posted January 23, 2017 Share Posted January 23, 2017 1 hour ago, mig21gato said: Some chance for make the peruvian version, using this new kit? not without some major (but doable) scratch building. (the whole rear-end, fuselage, tail and engine.(plus smaller details)... that being said, for once, the modular approach of KH makes easier that conversion...) Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Dmanton300 Posted January 23, 2017 Share Posted January 23, 2017 3 hours ago, mingwin said: not without some major (but doable) scratch building. (the whole rear-end, fuselage, tail and engine.(plus smaller details)... that being said, for once, the modular approach of KH makes easier that conversion...) The breakdown actually makes you wonder if an R29 engined model is planned anyway. We can but hope. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gb_madcat_sl Posted January 24, 2017 Share Posted January 24, 2017 Here is a scan of one of the painting guides in the kit. Time to break out the red markers. Mark Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mingwin Posted January 24, 2017 Share Posted January 24, 2017 3 hours ago, gb_madcat_sl said: Here is a scan of one of the painting guides in the kit. Time to break out the red markers. Mark that's weird... i never see before a BMF Su-17M3... even less one with a M4 tail! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jonbryon Posted January 24, 2017 Share Posted January 24, 2017 I'd love to know if that scheme is somehow legit. If I could build a silver Su-17, then that's the scheme I'd go for! Jon Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gb_madcat_sl Posted January 24, 2017 Share Posted January 24, 2017 1 hour ago, jonbryon said: I'd love to know if that scheme is somehow legit. If I could build a silver Su-17, then that's the scheme I'd go for! Jon Seems legit. Mark Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jonbryon Posted January 24, 2017 Share Posted January 24, 2017 Thanks! Looks like the proportions of the '95' are quite off compared to the photo. Jon Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Laurent Posted January 24, 2017 Share Posted January 24, 2017 I'm no Su-17/22 specialist but there's something that bothers me in the fuselage profile. Assumption: drawings used in painting directions come from the CAD model. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Floggerman Posted January 24, 2017 Share Posted January 24, 2017 Photo is M3, drawing M4..... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Gene K Posted January 24, 2017 Share Posted January 24, 2017 So AT THIS POINT, who's ahead ... Kitty Hawk or Hobby Boss? Gene K Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Laurent Posted January 24, 2017 Share Posted January 24, 2017 1 minute ago, Gene K said: So AT THIS POINT, who's ahead ... Kitty Hawk or Hobby Boss? IMHO Kitty Hawk. HB windscreen shape is likely to be somewhat questionable. And I like KH's lowered slats and flaps option. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mingwin Posted January 24, 2017 Share Posted January 24, 2017 42 minutes ago, Gene K said: So AT THIS POINT, who's ahead ... Kitty Hawk or Hobby Boss? Gene K AT THIS POINT, seems like Kitty Hawk is ahead... at least in two area : the windscreen looks better... and it is already available! (at least on some Ebay sellers) Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Finn Posted January 24, 2017 Share Posted January 24, 2017 Instructions and sprue pics are up: http://www.1999.co.jp/eng/10436380 Jari Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Vaildog Posted January 24, 2017 Share Posted January 24, 2017 10 minutes ago, Finn said: Instructions and sprue pics are up: http://www.1999.co.jp/eng/10436380 Jari Fuselage is broken into three pieces. So six total pieces that need to come together with no steps or gaps? Why??? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
martin_sam_2000 Posted January 24, 2017 Share Posted January 24, 2017 5 minutes ago, Vaildog said: Fuselage is broken into three pieces. So six total pieces that need to come together with no steps or gaps? Why??? My guess would be to make it easier to produce different versions. Different nose for an Su-22, etc. Sean Quote Link to post Share on other sites
foxmulder_ms Posted January 24, 2017 Share Posted January 24, 2017 So Kittyhawk facebook page says, Su-34, Su-35, Etandard and thisone, all coming at the end of February. Can that really happen? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ReccePhreak Posted January 24, 2017 Share Posted January 24, 2017 36 minutes ago, Vaildog said: Fuselage is broken into three pieces. So six total pieces that need to come together with no steps or gaps? Why??? Two reasons: 1. So the kit can fit into the small boxes they use. 2. Easier to make other variants. Larry Quote Link to post Share on other sites
boom175 Posted January 24, 2017 Share Posted January 24, 2017 1 hour ago, Vaildog said: Fuselage is broken into three pieces. So six total pieces that need to come together with no steps or gaps? Why??? For the different engined versions that the aft fuselage has different profile and they looks like the want to be able to have the aft fuselage come off to display the engine. Also the seperate forward fuselage allow a two seat forward fuselage. But this is just my speculation. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MoFo Posted January 24, 2017 Share Posted January 24, 2017 So they can cheaply/easily release other versions. Hence the big gaps on the sprues next to the fore, mid and aft fuselage halves, for the substitute parts. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MoFo Posted January 24, 2017 Share Posted January 24, 2017 10 hours ago, Laurent said: I'm no Su-17/22 specialist but there's something that bothers me in the fuselage profile. Assumption: drawings used in painting directions come from the CAD model. Isn't it supposed to be that way, though? Or am I missing something: https://goo.gl/O0bNtT Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Laurent Posted January 24, 2017 Share Posted January 24, 2017 (edited) On 24/01/2017 at 10:21 PM, MoFo said: Isn't it supposed to be that way, though? Or am I missing something: Edited January 27, 2017 by Laurent Quote Link to post Share on other sites
potez Posted January 24, 2017 Share Posted January 24, 2017 It's not a concave on a bottom it's just a kink - forward part of fuselage including cockpit area is kinked down to provide better visibility for the pilot. It's a main difference comparing to earlier Fitters. Just look at peruvian Fitter for example: http://www.airliners.net/photo/Peru-Air-Force/Sukhoi-Su-22/1223725 All earlier Fitters up to version Su-17M-2 have straight fuselage in Su-7's style Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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