Berkut Posted September 28, 2012 Share Posted September 28, 2012 Just saw over at Cybermodeller, price is $89.95!! That's friggin ridiculous sorry I ain't gonna pay that much. MSRP =/= Real price. Atleast if you buy smart. Take a look at MSRP for this P-61 for example: http://www.cybermodeler.com/hobby/kits/gwh/kit_gwh_4806.shtml 96 USD! *Starts running in circles* Real price however, 61: http://www.hobbyeasy.com/en/data/skduzgezgcphuy8ta43s.html?t=1348818096 From there it is easy to calculate roughly the price MiG-29 will be.... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
boom175 Posted September 28, 2012 Share Posted September 28, 2012 MSRP =/= Real price. Atleast if you buy smart. Take a look at MSRP for this P-61 for example: http://www.cybermodeler.com/hobby/kits/gwh/kit_gwh_4806.shtml 96 USD! *Starts running in circles* Real price however, 61: http://www.hobbyeasy.com/en/data/skduzgezgcphuy8ta43s.html?t=1348818096 From there it is easy to calculate roughly the price MiG-29 will be.... BTW the MSRP on the P-61 kits are $105!! Yes Hobby Easy et al do have great price but shipping to the states can off set those prices with shipping is up to 33% of the kits price. However I must admit some of the shipping options at hobby easy aren't that bad :-) Please understand I mean NO disrespect to GWH!!! They have the right to charge whatever they want and whatever they think the market will bear. I wish them all the luck! Just when I saw that MSRP I was a bit shocked, and expressed my opinion. P.S. I will repeat my self from another thread if you all will bear with me :) How is Hobbyeasy to deal with?? how is there shipping speed and all the good stuff? Thanks in advance!! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Laurent Posted September 28, 2012 Share Posted September 28, 2012 Please understand I mean NO disrespect to GWH!!! They have the right to charge whatever they want and whatever they think the market will bear. I wish them all the luck! Just when I saw that MSRP I was a bit shocked, and expressed my opinion. The MSRP published on Cybermodeler is given by DML USA, not GWH. If you don't want to pay the distributor (... but HK Post instead :) ), order from China. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Dmanton300 Posted September 28, 2012 Share Posted September 28, 2012 The MSRP published on Cybermodeler is given by DML USA, not GWH. If you don't want to pay the distributor (... but HK Post instead :) ), order from China. Again I'm led to wonder why anyone with access to a credit card or paypal WOULDN'T order it from the far east? As I never tire of saying "It's a global market people, use it!" Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ijozic Posted September 28, 2012 Share Posted September 28, 2012 Besides, imho, this is static models, not some diecasts with moveable parts. Agreed. That's sounds like a toy-like feature where you'd have to open the engine nacelles or something to be able to remove them. But, they did say that the engines are undersized anyway; I wonder how much exactly? 5%, 10%, 25%? R-77 wasn't used on 9.13. It could be used on 9.14, but that was never put in production. So this smells like SMT or something even more evolved... Yes, but it was supported on the 9.13S variant, though they say less then 50 were built and I presume some if not most of those were exported. Supposedly, the Russians sold most if not all of their R-77 stocks built before the Soviet Union collapsed (around 200?) to India? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Berkut Posted September 28, 2012 Share Posted September 28, 2012 Yes, but it was supported on the 9.13S variant, though they say less then 50 were built and I presume some if not most of those were exported. Supposedly, the Russians sold most if not all of their R-77 stocks built before the Soviet Union collapsed (around 200?) to India? Yeah, i did have figures somewhere, but iirc, not all were sold to India, but most of them. And yes, around 200 were built. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Jeff Posted September 28, 2012 Share Posted September 28, 2012 $89.95 seem just about right to me, plus it right in line with the current MSRP of the Hasy 1/48 Tomcats and Hornets, as well as other recent fast jet kits... (including the Eduard profipak Mig29 and Su27) If the kit is a nice as the CAD drawings and test shots suggests, I think were in for a treat. For a brand new 1:48 Mig-29, $89.95 sounds reasonable on the cheap side, since this is a very risky project from a business perspective. The Mig-29 is a Russian subject which is not a very popular choice for the amateur modeler, and there is already the Academy 1:48 Mig-29 out there. I assumed the new GWH kit is aimed for the niche market, for mature modelers who appreciate the accuracy of Russian subjects over price. It saves you money from buying the correction nose cone, exhaust, missiles, wheels etc, and gives you an accurate, detailed representation of the Mig-29. The build is easier too which saves me precious time to assemble a model with so many other things going on. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mingwin Posted September 28, 2012 Share Posted September 28, 2012 (edited) The MSRP published on Cybermodeler is given by DML USA, not GWH. If you don't want to pay the distributor (... but HK Post instead :) ), order from China. i don't agree with you, my experience shows me that HK post was one of the cheapest/reliable post service in the world... (in opposite, Colissimo from France was the most outrageously expensive postal service i ever experienced) every time i do the addition of HK prices +HK shipping, it's way cheaper than any US or Euro retailer prices! and also never experienced any fuss with HK post ever, from AIR or Surface, i've try them all. plus, i've always have a great service from HK based retailler. also, by the way, HK is not China, not in the real world... try buy from China mainland (china post) and you'll find out it is very expensive shipping (i did for Haneto's canopies) Edited September 28, 2012 by mingwin Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Laurent Posted September 28, 2012 Share Posted September 28, 2012 i don't agree with you Please read again my post. I've never said that HK PS is lousy. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mingwin Posted September 28, 2012 Share Posted September 28, 2012 Please read again my post. I've never said that HK PS is lousy. i never pretend you said they where lousy... i said that you pretend that you'll pay HK post instead of your local distributor. which is not true, as your local distributor mostly charge way more than what its worth... I pretend, that most of the time, HK post, will cost you half, of what your local distributor will charge you... (for HK or Chinese goods) Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Laurent Posted September 28, 2012 Share Posted September 28, 2012 i never pretend you said they where lousy... i said that you pretend that you'll pay HK post instead of your local distributor. which is not true, as your local distributor mostly charge way more than what its worth... Exactly. You pay (less) HK PS instead of paying (more) the distributor for the same service (well not really: either you have to go to your favorite shop or you have to pay again for national shipment). Anyway. In general, whenever I want a product from country A, I buy directly from country A: kits, books, whatever. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
cvn76 Posted September 29, 2012 Share Posted September 29, 2012 I can say the model price in HK is very cheap compare with other countries. If you have time to travel in HK, remember to prepare one more big suitcase to your collection. :thumbsup: Quote Link to post Share on other sites
K-5 Posted September 30, 2012 Share Posted September 30, 2012 IMHO, buying Chinese manufacturers' product through Japan based retailer is a bit foolish. The price is already inflated by a few fees and taxes and there is always shipping charge. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
KursadA Posted October 5, 2012 Share Posted October 5, 2012 So I have two questions for you guys who are in the know. First of all: Can this version be built from the GWH kit? Second: Are those markings available as decals somewhere? As for the Polish MiG-29A "commemorative scheme" decals, I gathered enough reference photos and info to make a start on drawing the artwork for those decals and fully intended to produce them, but I was informed by one of my reference providers that another company had already started making them. However that was a few months ago, shortly after RIAT and well before anyone knew that the G.W.H. kit was coming. I do hope that those decals will really appear as otherwise I'd be disappointed for not being able to build that model AND having missed out on having a potentially well-selling product... I(Caracal Models) just announced my "Heroes of Kosciuszko" series of two new Mig-29 sheets, which will cover these specially decorated Polish aircraft. I have been working on them for the last couple of months or so. They will be available in early December. http://s362974870.onlinehome.us/forums/air/index.php?showtopic=255667 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
dehowie Posted October 6, 2012 Share Posted October 6, 2012 Again I'm led to wonder why anyone with access to a credit card or paypal WOULDN'T order it from the far east? As I never tire of saying "It's a global market people, use it!" Never was a truer word said. Funnily it's and not being insulting modellers from the States who seem to have been the slowest to pick up on this. How many posts do you see people complaining about the prices of Asian kits in the LHS. To many to mention. Maybe it's that the USA is used to being self sufficient and reliant providing in the past quite well for there own. I'm not sure what the reluctance is to switch to buying from the horses mouth and saving LOTS of money. I have one EBay trader who offers outstanding service from China and even after shipping prices 30/40% less than Australian retail including shipping which means 50% off US prices as we get our Asian stuff generally better than the States excepting Japan. Many Aussie shops charge outrageous retail prices in line with US prices seemingly in complete oblivion to the internet. As someone else said don't bother with non Japanese manufacturers at places like 1999 and HLJ the import taxes mean its way cheaper from H k and China. Likewise Revell is extremely expensive in Japan. If you look around you can pay almost half price and shipping is very reasonable. Use the global market to your advantage rather than being ripped off by importers gouging the market who still seem reluctant to buy direct. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
11bee Posted October 6, 2012 Share Posted October 6, 2012 Never was a truer word said. Funnily it's and not being insulting modellers from the States who seem to have been the slowest to pick up on this. How many posts do you see people complaining about the prices of Asian kits in the LHS. To many to mention. Maybe it's that the USA is used to being self sufficient and reliant providing in the past quite well for there own. I'm not sure what the reluctance is to switch to buying from the horses mouth and saving LOTS of money. I have one EBay trader who offers outstanding service from China and even after shipping prices 30/40% less than Australian retail including shipping which means 50% off US prices as we get our Asian stuff generally better than the States excepting Japan. Many Aussie shops charge outrageous retail prices in line with US prices seemingly in complete oblivion to the internet. As someone else said don't bother with non Japanese manufacturers at places like 1999 and HLJ the import taxes mean its way cheaper from H k and China. Likewise Revell is extremely expensive in Japan. If you look around you can pay almost half price and shipping is very reasonable. Use the global market to your advantage rather than being ripped off by importers gouging the market who still seem reluctant to buy direct. Agreed... plenty of internet options out there. I've had zero issues purchasing direct from Chinese, Japanese, Russian, etc suppliers, including some very small outfits. It's always good to support your local hobby shop but if you can't handle the costs, you do have other options. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Dmanton300 Posted October 6, 2012 Share Posted October 6, 2012 Agreed... plenty of internet options out there. I've had zero issues purchasing direct from Chinese, Japanese, Russian, etc suppliers, including some very small outfits. It's always good to support your local hobby shop but if you can't handle the costs, you do have other options. I haven't had a local hobby shop for twenty years anyway, so the only way to buy most things os through mail order. FOr 5-6 years after my local closed I would telephone my orders from a very few retailers (Hannants, E.D. models etc). Back in 1997 or so I first used HLJ to order online (including having to phone a Japanese number to provide my credit card as at that time Japanese law prevented CC details being passed online!) and since then have moved to exclusively online as the market has been revolutionised. Interestingly the only confirmed issue from online ordering has been the unpleasantness with the Big H a couple years ago, so it was a local (relatively speaking!) issue. These days the ease of shopping from abroad online means that it only really registers that I'm ordering from source in discussions like these! Otherwise they are just my retailer, and location means nothing. People say "what happens if your local importer goes out of business?". . the answer is, to me, nothing, as I don't use them anyway. That said US residents do seem to suffer more than many countries from importer's markups. The kinds of prices I see from Stevens in the US make my mind boggle! I couldn't conceive pf paying what hey ask for Trumpeter kits when it takes me exactly the same time and procedure to order it from the far east! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Stephen Posted October 6, 2012 Share Posted October 6, 2012 IMHO, buying Chinese manufacturers' product through Japan based retailer is a bit foolish. The price is already inflated by a few fees and taxes and there is always shipping charge. Agreed,much easier to go to Luckymodel or hobbyeasy.As Drewe said its a global market. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
pookie Posted October 6, 2012 Share Posted October 6, 2012 I just said the same thing when I saw 87 octane gas for $4.04 a gallon... I have a choice, and I don't mind exercising it. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Robertson Posted October 10, 2012 Share Posted October 10, 2012 Hi delide. Pretty harsh for a first post on ARC. It seems to me that the demonstration you're trying to do isn't too convincing. - http://smg.photobuck...zps15d1ffeb.jpg isn't quite sharp and pitch may not be the same - http://smg.photobuck...zps1f7ac88b.jpg isn't too great: different pitch, optical distorsion (depth of field ?) - http://smg.photobuck...zpse6001003.jpg is very poor: look how the front of the intake looks like... very different roll Believe me I know how it's difficult finding the proper photograph to demonstrate a point (shape and proportion accuracy are important to me). Yaw, pitch, roll of the subject, optical distortions need to match. Perhaps you could outline the subjects and overlay them ? The windshield angle may be slightly off but I doubt that the photos you kindly provide can show that the angle is 5° off. I've looked at other photos and I agree with Delide on both points: The lack of bulging at the rear of of the real canopy is more obvious in other photos. The too steep kit windscreen angle is visible in the same way in all photos. Both errors however are probably within what could be cut/sanded/scrapped/polished away... Robertson Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Jennings Posted October 10, 2012 Share Posted October 10, 2012 I have a choice, and I don't mind exercising it. Me too! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
boom175 Posted October 11, 2012 Share Posted October 11, 2012 (edited) Me too! To quote Joe Friday (Dan Ackroyd) "The finest example of Serbo-Croation technology!!" No Offense guys!!!!!! Edited October 11, 2012 by boom175 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
niki4703 Posted October 12, 2012 Share Posted October 12, 2012 Me too! :-) :-) :-) Quote Link to post Share on other sites
haneto Posted October 15, 2012 Author Share Posted October 15, 2012 (edited) Sorry for being silent for a while, mates. Busy with other things with Fulcrum such as decals, packages together with my own daily work and family service. :wacko: Anyway, here comes the good news that formal production sprues arrived today. I think you guys must want to see the "details" at first, right? Now it's time to show you! Still want your old Fulcrum kits with tons of hard-to-deal resin stuff? Your out of date buddy! Here we go! (with my narations, sorry. ) And sorry for my poor camera, an old I am a spammer, please report this post. D5000. First comes the legendary, also the most deadly Russian AA missile,the R-73 a.k.a. AA-11 "Archer" There will be 4 photo-etched little fins to be attached at the buldges on the nose. And don't miss the big R-27 AA-10 "Alamo" family. All of them are hole-drilling free, yes! And the most advanced R-77...sorry, a little teaser here. Pls check it yourself in the kits on the shelves. :wub: Edited October 16, 2012 by haneto Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mario krijan Posted October 15, 2012 Share Posted October 15, 2012 (edited) Fantastic details!! Thanks Yufei! It would be fantastic model :-) PS: D5000 is pretty decent camera, even with kit lens :-P (I am N.i.k.o.n - ian :-)) Edited October 15, 2012 by mario krijan Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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